Exodus Part Two: Population of the Exodus Group.

i never said survive physically i mean that the bible is the MOST debated subject, the MOST controvercial, the MOST war beginning subject, the MOST problematic.everything else is there yes, but, they are not causing this much trouble why? cuz the probably dont pose a good enough threat or whatever to be up there with the rest. ONLY christianity is the most debatable religion/belief/whatever you want to call it.i agree with you but thats not what i meant

By creating something false, that looks real, he is creating a lie. Your description of god is that of a liar.

---

Just a monkey in a long line of kings.
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist!
*not an actual doctor

I do say it is the best I have. And the best availble evidence shows that the Exodus, like the Flood, never happened as described in the Bible. Too funny.So you are saying it's fine for God to lie and plant evidence because He never said He wouldn't.Okay. LOL Huh? Supposedly it was real people involved, real Hebrews and real Egyptians.Sorry, that is natural. Nonsense. We have LOTS of evidence from the period. We have actual letters and memos from folk living at the time that were in the area, and never noticed anything going on.What doesn't exist is any evidence of Hebrews living in Egypt at the time, that none of the things that would have HAD to have happened did. For example, none of the surrounding super powers of the day noticed that Egypt lost a Pharaoh or an Army. There was no rebuilding of materials supposedly lost such as horses, chariots, weapons.Physical events leave physical traces, and the Exodus like the Flood, like the Conquest of Canaan simply do not show up.

---

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

quote:

---

By creating something false, that looks real, he is creating a lie. Your description of god is that of a liar.

---

when the fake world looks real to you its not his fault, you presume its real when he never said it is!

So if I give someone a counterfeit bill and they accept it am I being an honest man or dishonest?

---

Just a monkey in a long line of kings.
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist!
*not an actual doctor

He is not lying, He said "I am your God and believe what i say" and when you turn from him and believe what YOU want to believe then its false!God never said that what you find on earth would be truth! he says HE is the truth. Jesus said he is the truth, the light, and the way. he also says the world HATED him before they hate us! and he says he is not OF the world so they hate him! so what did he do there? he separated himself from the world! meaning the Truth is separated from the WORLD! the world=wrong! Jesus=truth! Listen to Jesus NOT the world and you woudl get the right answer

quote:

---

Huh? Supposedly it was real people involved, real Hebrews and real Egyptians.

​

Sorry, that is natural.

---

then what are you saying that is NOT physically accurate or whatever?

quote:

---

Nonsense. We have LOTS of evidence from the period. We have actual letters and memos from folk living at the time that were in the area, and never noticed anything going on.

​

What doesn't exist is any evidence of Hebrews living in Egypt at the time, that none of the things that would have HAD to have happened did. For example, none of the surrounding super powers of the day noticed that Egypt lost a Pharaoh or an Army. There was no rebuilding of materials supposedly lost such as horses, chariots, weapons.

​

Physical events leave physical traces, and the Exodus like the Flood, like the Conquest of Canaan simply do not show up.

---

ok those memos can be compromised because of Pharoh, you dont know that nothing REALLY happened. you know that maybe pharaoh wanted to cover it all up because he was ashamed of the whole ordeal? have u ever thought of that?other super powers could be compromised, dont u think Egypt is wealthy enough to do? YOU have no facts to state that they werent compromised at all! and becuase you dont have facts but what you find on the ground you believe that to be truth! but, it can be the opposite! it happens everyday.physical evidence of the charriots i can argue with because they say that they had found a charriot wheel at the bottom of that place and that there was an object at the edge of the red sea explaining the whole incident. and plus sinse when would the losers admit defeat so rationally? ESPECIALLY during those times.

Let me change this to a variation:When the fake WORD looks real to you, it's not God's fault, you presume it's real when he never said it is! Yes, I mean word there, not world.You seem to be saying something along the lines of "The reality of the world could be a illusion, while the word (aka the Bible), a collection of words, is reality.So, why might not your reading of the Bible's meaning be the illusion?Say, you're driving down a road and you're approaching a river. Your road map indicates there's a bridge across the river, but you do not see any bridge in front of you, but rather only river. Are you going to continue to drive, thinking "the map says there's a bridge there, therefore there must be a bridge there"?Moose

---

Professor, geology, Whatsamatta U
Evolution - Changes in the environment, caused by the interactions of the components of the environment. "Do not meddle in the affairs of cats, for they are subtle and will piss on your computer." - Bruce Graham

​

"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." - John Kenneth Galbraith

​

"I know a little about a lot of things, and a lot about a few things, but I'm highly ignorant about everything." - Moose

Huh? Sorry, but events like that really would leave evidence. Huh? Come on. The other super powers were always invading Egypt. If they knew of a power vacuum they would certainly take advantage. Sorry, but don't try to peddle that chariot wheel here. We've all seen the videos, all seen the con man sideshows from folk like Ron Wyatt and all.But that is NOT the evidence I was talking about anyway.If Egypt lost its army, even just a large segment of the army, it would have had to replace that. There would have been orders going out to buy horses, to smithies for new spears and armor, to wheelwrights for wheels, chariot makers for chariots, and recruiting to replace lost staff.None of that evidence has been found to date.But that is simply additional evidence that refutes the Biblical tale. The facts are is that so far there is no evidence that there even was a large Hebrew population in Egypt in the first place.

---

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

ok good some intelligence.i could say the same for evolution and science, yet everyone in the world look at science as COMPLETE and absolute fact!That's why Christianity is a BELIEF. i do not think it is an illusion because everything makes perfect sense with what God says and it makes no sense with what Evolution says. i BELIEVE that. and i am entitled to that belief.

quote:

---

So, why might not your reading of the Bible's meaning be the illusion?

---

how is it an illusion can you elaborate

quote:

---

Say, you're driving down a road and you're approaching a river. Your road map indicates there's a bridge across the river, but you do not see any bridge in front of you, but rather only river. Are you going to continue to drive, thinking "the map says there's a bridge there, therefore there must be a bridge there"?

---

you do that everyday by putting faith in plenty of things in your life, you put faith in your car to not explode out of nowhere, you put faith in your president, you put faith in your nearby gas-station owner to lower his price.....etc. you put faith in a lot of things you dont realize. so basically you ARE trusting the map a lot of the times becuase you dont have a choice. you CANT stop having faith in your car because you need it, you CANT stop having faith in your president because you need a president.so? which is it? use your gut and go a different direction and not have faith in a map or go through. if you chose to leave faith then leave it all becuase the way your saying things you and me are both living blindly believing in our cars to not explode.but hold on, wait a minute. this MAP was written by people, hmm and people can be wrong sometimes, SO people cant be trusted as much. the Bible on the other hand was made by God, who cannot be wrong. SO i would believe a MAP made by God over a Map made by humans. and plus, the bible is right there, read it, analyze it, its open for that, but not a lot of things out there are open to analyze, you cant analyze your president personally, your FORCED to believe in him/her. its your choice to analyze the bible, if it were man made you woudlnt have that choice as well becuase the person who wrote it would NOT want its wrongs to be revealed and would give the bible to only a select few who would be compromised and BAM! BUTTTT it is in the hands of EVERYONE meaning, what is the creater to hide? NOTHING. every man made thing has its limits to your curiosity, why? cuz their wrongs dont want to be realized.The bible, was NOT man made, it was Godly made.

The Bible was NOT man made, it was Godly madeThe Bible was NOT man made, it was Godly made.Amazingly enough, it got real fast promotion out of the "Proposed New Topics" forum. I suggest you, me, Jar, and (?) continue the discussion there.Moose

---

Professor, geology, Whatsamatta U
Evolution - Changes in the environment, caused by the interactions of the components of the environment. "Do not meddle in the affairs of cats, for they are subtle and will piss on your computer." - Bruce Graham

​

"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." - John Kenneth Galbraith

​

"I know a little about a lot of things, and a lot about a few things, but I'm highly ignorant about everything." - Moose

ok heres the deal, ANYTHING can be hidden....? anything. if Pharoh wanted it to never exist he can make that possible, what if neighboring countries didnt even HAVE A CLUE what happened? why wouldnt they know? cuz it was hidden. new recruits? why? meh cuz the old ones died of starvation and or went on vacation.ANYTHING can be hidden if you think about it and can be left without a trace!evidence? how can you have evidence when they can get rid of it! lets just say that they DID have the papers for new people bla bla bla, they can burn it and YOU today would not have any evidence.it CAN be done. but wait, its crazy how YOU are looking for absolute proof on this subject yet when the table turns about the big bang or the beginning of the world, even when there is no physical proof, it is udnoubtedly true!

How?The things I mentioned all leave physical evidences, physical. They require mines to mine ore, foundries to smelt it, training facilities to train the new troops.The subject of this thread is another example. If there had been a large (>2 million) population of Hebrews in Egypt there would have been physical evidence.If that many people moved, it would leave physical evidence.None of that evidence, physical evidence, has been found.

---

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

what may i ask IS physical evidence your looking for? foutprints from over 3000 years ago? What?! lol

Dang it, you`re right, Jura. All those 2.5 million people and an uncounted number of livestock left a line of poop right across the Sinai, charcoal from fires, bones from human and animal deaths, discarded artifacts, probably dropped some of the loot from the Egyptians, worn-out clothing, pots`n pans past their use-by date, discarded household items, etc., and God zapped it all out of existence to confound those Doubting Thomases in modern times.

Well footprints would be unlikely, but if you move several million people over a rock surface, with their cattle, with their carts, yes, that would most definitely leave a trail. But there would also be other evidences that would be left. Several million folk moving as a group leave lots of evidence, they leave bodies of people and animals, they leave scat, they leave lost items, the leave broken items, they leave graffiti and wear in the rocks and passes as they go by.But there is also the other evidences. There is the issue, as I mentioned before, that there is NO evidence of the Hebrews even being in Egypt in such numbers in the first place.

---

Aslan is not a Tame Lion