Brokeback Mountain

I must be missing something here - not for the first time! 6 out of 10 = 110 out of 1010 Surely x out of x = 100% in any base?C'mon moose - put me out of my misery! What am I missing?

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Hi Moose,What Mangy said.Mark

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Berberry,Seen it yet?Mark

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world; those that understand binary, & those that don't

Brokeback Mountain came to Jackson Friday and I went to see it. I absolutely loved it; it was everything I was hoping for. My favorite scene was the one where Jack and Ennis see each other for the first time in four years. I know what that's like; the one boyfriend of my past that I still have feelings for left town (and me) after all of his straight friends figured out what was going on between us back in 1988. We didn't see each other until nearly three years later, anda when we did meet again it was very much like that.The sequence where Ennis visits Jack's parents and goes through Jack's bedroom is one of the most heart-rending things I've ever seen on a screen. Even if I never see this again, the image of Ennis holding those shirts will be with me for the rest of my life.I went to see it with my best friend, who is also my brother-in-law (he's married to my sister). I think he enjoyed it as much as I did. Immediately afterward, he said he choked up at the scene in Jack's bedroom but that otherwise the film didn't appeal to him much since he never has cared for love stories. Then last night, almost 24 hours later, he called me and said he couldn't stop thinking about it and that if a good drama is supposed to make you think then this one succeeded better than anything he could remember.AbE: Sorry Mark, I didn't see your question before I posted (but I did answer it). This message has been edited by berberry, 01-15-2006 07:09 PM

Hi Berberry, Agreed, a great, great, sad, sad moment. This was about the point where the aforementioned life threatening throat-lump became evident...SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER!!!!!!The part where Ennis phoned Jack's wife to learn of Jack's death.What did you make of that?My wife assumed that Jack was killed because he was homosexual, rather than the spoken reason, which was the "official" story. The image of Jack being beaten to death was shown in spite of Jack's wife's words. I thought differently. My thought's were that the imagery of Jack's death was in synch with Ennis's on the telephone rather than with Jack's wife. Meaning the imagery was in Ennis's head, rather than being shown to us as a "what really happened" expose. In other words, Ennis "imagined" how Jack died, & was informed/influenced by the ealier experience he had as a child, where his father showed him the dead gay guy. Perhap's he was blaming himself for Jack's death?Whadayareckon?Mark

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mark24 asks me:

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Whadayareckon?

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I agree with you entirely. Those shots were a blur, which gave me the exact same impression.

roxrkool asked (several weeks ago):

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I'm curious, were they gay, bi-sexual, or hetero? To me, they appeared hetero. Or perhaps the ambiguousness was the point of the story...

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I saw each character as very much gay, and I believe Ang Lee did too.From the very first sequence it's obvious that Jack is attracted to Ennis, and he begins to court him - very subtly - right away. There are numerous shots of Jack looking at Ennis very intently and tenderly in the early sequences, and he never misses a chance to put his hands on Ennis. It's usually innocuous, pat-on-the-shoulder type stuff - nothing threatening but still with a type of insistence - then suddenly there's a scene where Ennis' forehead is bleeding. Without a thought, Jack jumps to take care of Ennis' wound and is so tender in the way he touches him one would have to be blind not to know that he's already fallen in love.Ennis, on the other hand, might at first glance seem like a straight man being slowly and methodically seduced by Jack (this is probably what led Gene Shalit to characterize Jack as a predator, but Shalit somehow missed what Ennis was all about). Ennis never once flinches from Jack or acts as though his manhood has been threatened. That Ennis was gay all along was confirmed more explicitly in the short story. There, the author makes clear that Alma, Ennis' wife, had never felt from him anything close to the passion she spies him expressing to Jack. 'Never' would include the time that she and Ennis were courting, which would be before he ever met Jack. That little detail couldn't be made quite so explicit on film, so it's left to Anne Hathaway's acting to carry the message. She does carry it, but I suppose to some extent it could be missed by a less perceptive viewer.

hey, berberry, have you seen the new previews for the movie?the say something to extent of "the most sweeping love story of the year" and then show the two with their wives.

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No I haven't seen them, arach, but I'll keep my eyes open. That sounds crazy.

yeah, it sounds to me like they're having a hard time selling the movie based on the gay content.

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I don't know about that, it's had the highest per-screen averages every weekend since it was released. I can't find anything right now about this weekend's performance, but the new numbers should be out early tomorrow.I thought it might be a hard sell too, but if you'll do a google news search on it and fish through a few pages you'll find several articles in small-town papers about how the local cineplex is trying hard to get a print of the picture. One such small town in Greenville, MS. The owner of the cinema there was quoted in the paper as saying that he's been getting more requests to show BBM than anything he can remember.

hm. i don't know then. i just thought it was kind of peculiar to misrepresent the plot in that way.

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Oh it seems peculiar all right, at least at first thought. I suppose what they might be doing is trying to broaden the appeal further, but what you describe sounds almost dishonest.

I realize I am hitting you twice in the same day, but you happen to have the only interesting topics going on right now... well those that raise questions.I have not seen the movie and am likely not going to until it hits the video market. This is a price issue, not a content issue. But I heard of Shalit's review and your comment about that got me curious.If a man sets out to seduce another man, who is not necessarily gay and indeed is married (and from what you suggest had been at least at some point passionately married), how is he not considered a sexual predator? That is putting his own desires above the good of others, right?If this is set in the past, anything before 1960s, it would have been a crime and indeed completely labelled a sexually predatory act, exactly in the same league as child molestation. In fact, the behavior of the gay character matches what is called "grooming" behavior by pedophiles. Yet, because he is gay this is not so?Now I'm not going to argue one way or the other on whether that behavior is right or wrong for either group, just pointing out that is what it is considered and was considered, and so its a bit odd to knock Shalit's perception. Indeed if it is an intentional seduction of a happily married straight guy then it would be "predatory", even to me.Then again maybe a true sign of openness is when we can actually have a movie about a gay guy who is preying on people, and no one gets upset because the single guy is not thought to represent all gays or gay relationships.

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holmes
"...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)