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Taz Member (Idle past 3312 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
After all that we've been through, there are still bigot elements everywhere in our society. Rascism is still very much a part of our family. When one of my cousins married an Asian girl, many in my family, including my parents, kept saying that the races weren't meant to live together. While the racist attitude in my family certainly isn't as strong as you'd see in movies and sometimes today in the deep south, it is still very recognizably present everytime the family is together.
I want to share something I've just read. It's from a fictional novel written in the 60's. The characters are all fictional. However, after having read these paragraphs twice, the words eerily resemble what I continue to encounter very regularly in this day and age.
quote: Is bigotry inherent in human nature? We all generally agree that it is a bad thing in society. Hence, many bigots these days try to label themselves as something else. But regardless of what they want to call themselves, do you think that bigotry is inherent in human nature? If so, is it "unnatural" to change this part of human nature? PS I was going to put this in PNT, but since there's an unofficial rule among admins that says a PNT has to stay there for 40 days and 40 nights, be reminded that it's still there, and wait for another 40 days and 40 nights before not being promoted, and also the fact that this has nothing to do with the creation vs evolution debate, I decided in the end to bypass the PNT procedures. Edited by Tazmanian Devil, : No reason given. Disclaimer: Occasionally, owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have used he/him/his meaning he or she/him or her/his or her in order to avoid awkwardness of style. He, him, and his are not intended as exclusively masculine pronouns. They may refer to either sex or to both sexes!
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ikabod Member (Idle past 4513 days) Posts: 365 From: UK Joined: |
simple answer yes ...
i think its clear that there is a human instinct to form ourself into groups and to be prejudiced and intolerant to those who do not belong , even groups designed to unite diversie people can be intolerant ...examples are so clear , we for grps by race , by creed , by street , by sports team , by job , by music taste, by brand of coffee , by politics , by wealth , by fasion , by anything we can .... the degree of bigotry can vary , but i have found it can be very strong for even the most mundain of groupings , logic and reason dont even get in the car let alone push to the back seat ... But i think its the test of ourselves and our society that we can strive to reconise our own bigotry and attempt to deal with it from ourside , not by making special cases , not but intergration , not by papering over the joins , but by realising that different is just different , not better or worst ... and yes that is very very idealistic .. but unless we strive for the best ideals then we can never hope to reach them ....try to climb the highest peak .. then when you fail half way you are still higher than those on the lower peak
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molbiogirl Member (Idle past 2662 days) Posts: 1909 From: MO Joined: |
Is bigotry inherent in human nature? I think we're heading into evolutionary psychology territory here. After the "What is feminism?" debate devolved into an EP debate on the nature of men and women, I picked up Steven Pinker's The Blank Slate. Steve argues that there are 3 Laws of Behavioral Genetics (aka human nature):
All human traits are heritable. The effect of being raised in the same family is smaller than the effects of genetics. A substantial portion of the variation in complex human behavioral traits is not accounted for by the effects of genes or families. p. 373 The First Law leaves open the question "What is a human trait?" To answer this, Steve relies on Donald Brown's List of Human Universals (p. 435). "Universals" of behavior and language have been noted by ethnographers for years and Donald just pulled them all together in his book Human Universals. There are hundreds of items on the list, but for the purposes of this discussion, I'm going to focus on only one: "in group distinguished from out group". In group/out group is not inherently bigoted. It simply means that folks tend to self identify as "family", "clan", "village" etc. And as Steve points out on p. 143:
The quantitative differences (of any behavioral genetic predisposition) are small in biological terms. They are found to a far greater extent among the individual members of an ethnic group or race than between ethnic groups or races. Since in group/out group is cross culturally universal and since any behavior that may be inherited varies greatly among individuals and not among ethnic groups/races, I would argue that bigotry is not human nature.
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3984 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 7.0 |
Steve argues that there are 3 Laws of Behavioral Genetics (aka human nature I modestly prefer Omni's Three Laws of Human Behavior: 1. People tend to act in what they see as their own best interest.2. People are not very good at determining their own best interest. 3. Me too. That ineptitude is near-universal. Unfortunately, it often leads to bigotry. Real things always push back. -William James Save lives! Click here!Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC! ---------------------------------------
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Taz Member (Idle past 3312 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Interesting...
But what about cases where members within the same societal group discriminate against their own fellow members? Take sexism and homophobia, for example. Why do we continue to see sexist and homophobic attitudes in communities that clearly have both of these peoples present. Disclaimer: Occasionally, owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have used he/him/his meaning he or she/him or her/his or her in order to avoid awkwardness of style. He, him, and his are not intended as exclusively masculine pronouns. They may refer to either sex or to both sexes!
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molbiogirl Member (Idle past 2662 days) Posts: 1909 From: MO Joined: |
But what about cases where members within the same societal group discriminate against their own fellow members? Take sexism and homophobia... One could just as easily ask "Why racism?" or "Why ageism?" or "Why any -ism?". They all exist within the same societal group. Mind you, I am not advocating a genetic explanation for each and every human behavior. I am not a genetic determinist. I am referring to a very specific list of human universals in combination with studies that investigate possible genetic links to these universals. That said, AFAIK, no studies have investigated the link between sexism and genetic predisposition or heterosexism and genetic predisposition. Nor does the list of human universals include "sexism" or "heterosexism". "Sex statuses", yes. "Sexism", no. "In group", yes. "Racism", no. "Age statuses", yes. "Ageism", no. And nothing, absolutely nothing, on homosexuality. With good reason. Proscription of homosexuality is not a human universal. Edited by molbiogirl, : No reason given.
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3945 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
I grew up and to a great degree now continue to live in a very caucasian culture. I do feel a discomfort when exposed to cultures outside of what I'm familiar with, be they African-American, Native American, Oriential etc. Likewise, being in a big city, or being exposed to the wealthy or the very poor. But this does not give me a feeling of superiority or inferiority to these of alternate cultures.
Moose ps: In a maybe related theme, try googling "fighting whities". Or you may just want to look at Fighting Whites - Wikipedia.
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ikabod Member (Idle past 4513 days) Posts: 365 From: UK Joined: |
because there are many layers to our groups ..i guess the ultimate group is those who are most like ones self ...., you then build groups based apon degrees of likeness ,
ok hes got ginger hair but hes a bloke and he like football and he goes down the pub ... ok hes a bloke who likes football .. mine you he drink wine ! ok at least hes not a women , but he likes rugby not football , still he does sink a pint doewn the pub ok she a girl but she does support united (football club for non UK ers ) and she is a local not one of those city center women .... ok that very simplistict but i think is a realistic picture ... sexim clearly has roots in power and control , homophobia is as it says often about fear , of ones own self as well as others , an the cutlral demand of male sterotyping ... Also i think any exsisting groupage is suseptable to internel fractures , along seemingly silly lines ,as these groups are not really based on logical stances , they are constructs that sever for a time , and as the membership changes , both as the people change and new members come into the group .
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