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Teardrop
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Message 1 of 33 (434986)
11-18-2007 1:28 PM


k I hope this is the right forum for it. I need very good debaters for Christianity as many as possible... so u can register on this forum Vladd44 forum and post on this thread : http://www.vladd44.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=9152 and the rest of the threads here : http://www.vladd44.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=9335 (just paste that on yr browser and it gets u to those site threads immediately.)
As u can read on those threads we (the few Christians there) r up against very hard core and tough to defeat non-Christians who r very good debaters.
Pls help us to argue against them and help spread God's Word in that forum pls... it has many unsaved members some 9350+ unsaved ppl whom we can all reach out to.
Pls help. Let me know if u need any help to register and post there.
To register is easy click on Forum Index on Vladd44 Forum and then click register and u can register in 4mins and start posting immediately.
ty all and God bless,
Teardrop

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sidelined
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Message 2 of 33 (434989)
11-18-2007 1:36 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Teardrop
11-18-2007 1:28 PM


teardrop
As u can read on those threads we (the few Christians there) r up against very hard core and tough to defeat non-Christians who r very good debaters.
But with God on your side what need have you of others my friend?

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jar
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Message 3 of 33 (434991)
11-18-2007 1:37 PM
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11-18-2007 1:28 PM


Yes you do need help.
First throw away that little picayune god you have created. Once you get rid of that little bling-bling pimp daddy god of yours you may have a chance to learn what Christianity is really about.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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ringo
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Message 4 of 33 (434994)
11-18-2007 1:50 PM
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11-18-2007 1:28 PM


Teardrop writes:
I need very good debaters for Christianity as many as possible...
Sorry, there are no good fundy Christian debators at EvC.

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Message 5 of 33 (435007)
11-18-2007 2:25 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Teardrop
11-18-2007 1:28 PM


So what's your problem? Is it that you do not know how to respond? Is it because you don't understand what they're saying? Is it that you don't understand what you're trying to sell to them?
Are you that "Love" individual? Stylistic similarities in the writing lead me to assume that you are. Does that list indicate that you are a biblical literalist young-earth creationist type? Even if you are not "Love", are you a biblical literalist young-earth creationist type?
Well, you could try to contribute here. Collectively, the evolution-accepting members here have been trying for several decades to find a creationist, any creationist, who could present that "creation model" of which the "creation science" movement has been crowing about since about 1970, when they created "creation science" as a legalistic deception to circumvent Epperson vs Arkansas (1968), which struck down the 1920's "monkey laws". In particular, we have threads here begging creationists to present an actual model for creation. And not creationist has ever been able to do that one simple thing -- simple if there were any truth or truthfulness in their claims.
So, are you that one creationist who can present an actual model for creation? If not, then you need to learn a lot more.
In the meantime, try to actually talk with the others in that forum. Try to understand what they are telling you and respond in a manner that will allow them to understand you. Just spouting Bible quotes won't get you far. And repeating creationist claims won't get you anywhere either, except shot down immediately if someone there is familiar with that claim and why it's false.
For example, I witnessed this event personally, which I relate on my links page at No webpage found at provided URL: http://members.aol.com/dwise1/cre_ev/links.html:
quote:
Here is a true story to illustrate that point. About twelve years ago at The City mall (now completely rebuilt as The Block) in Orange, California, creationist Scott Alexander was hosting a series of amateur-night creation/evolution debates in which the members of the audience were invited to get up and make presentations. One young creationist (I would judge him to have been about 18 to 21 years old) got up and announced that he had some new hard science that would blow the evolutionists away: the speed of light has been slowing down! The pro-evolution half of the audience immediately burst into uncontrollable laughter. That claim of Setterfield's had already been known to them for a decade, it had been refuted many times, and they started to explain to the poor hapless creationist exactly why that claim was false. He didn't know what had hit him.
The same advice is given by Answers in Genesis, in this article reposted off-site: "What About Carl Baugh?" at No webpage found at provided URL: http://paleo.cc/paluxy/whatbau.htm. I verified independently (by contacting AiG directly) that it is what Glen Kuban represents it to be.
So, you need to know your "enemy" and you need to know yourself. As written in a different "scripture" than you're familiar with:
Sun Tzu, Scroll III (Offensive Strategy):
quote:
31. Therefore I say: "Know the enemy and know yourself; in a hundred battles you will never be in peril.
32. When you are ignorant of the enemy but know yourself, your chances of winning or losing are equal.
33. If ignorant both of your enemy and of yourself, you are certain in every battle to be in peril."
(Sun Tzu The Art of War, translation by Samuel B. Griffith, Oxford University Press, 1963)
Or as the Governor of Mississippi circa 1990 put it on a radio newscast as he was explaining why he was campaigning so hard for education reform in his state:
quote:
We've already tried ignorance, so we know that it doesn't work!

{When you search for God, y}ou can't go to the people who believe already. They've made up their minds and want to convince you of their own personal heresy.
("The Jehovah Contract", AKA "Der Jehova-Vertrag", by Viktor Koman, 1984)
And we who listen to the stars, or walk the dusty grade,
Or break the very atoms down to see how they are made,
Or study cells, or living things, seek truth with open hand.
The profoundest act of worship is to try to understand.
Deep in flower and in flesh, in star and soil and seed,
The truth has left its living word for anyone to read.
So turn and look where best you think the story is unfurled.
Humans wrote the Bible; God wrote the world.

(filk song "Word of God" by Dr. Catherine Faber, No webpage found at provided URL: http://www.echoschildren.org/CDlyrics/WORDGOD.HTML)

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nator
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Message 6 of 33 (435008)
11-18-2007 2:26 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Teardrop
11-18-2007 1:28 PM


Well, maybe you should get better at debating.
Of course, if what you support isn't strongly supported by logic or evidence in the first place, then you are doomed to lose every debate.
The question then remains: If your side always loses the debate based upon evidence and logic, then maybe your side isn't the correct side?

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RAZD
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Message 7 of 33 (435015)
11-18-2007 2:51 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Teardrop
11-18-2007 1:28 PM


I need very good debaters for Christianity as many as possible...
Are you talking about christians or about YEC fundamentalists? Calling yourself christian when you want to defend YEC concepts is misrepresentation, especially as there are many christians that do not have a problem with evolution and the reality of science.
But if you want help from YEC fundamentalists, then read down through Discussing the evidence that support creationism until you come to someone who presents actual physical evidence and then ask them for help.
... and help spread God's Word ...
But is it really god's word you are spreading? Or is it ignorance and denial of reality?
... we (...) r up against very hard core and tough to defeat non-Christians who r very good debaters.
Yeah, it sucks to try to argue YEC concepts against reality. On the other hand you could actually try to learn something - like what evolution really is.
Enjoy.

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Brian
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Message 8 of 33 (435022)
11-18-2007 4:18 PM


The guy got one helper from EvC.
Whatever (the golfer) has joined today.
What chance do the evilutionists have now?
Edited by Brian, : cannae spell

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Message 9 of 33 (435029)
11-18-2007 5:01 PM
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11-18-2007 4:18 PM


Brian writes:
Whatever (the golfer) has joined today.
We should send simple and IamJoseph to round out the triumvirate.

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Message 10 of 33 (435033)
11-18-2007 5:06 PM
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11-18-2007 5:01 PM


Why not toss Ray in as well, for a bit of seasoning?

Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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Message 11 of 33 (435035)
11-18-2007 5:13 PM
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11-18-2007 5:06 PM


subbie writes:
Why not toss Ray in as well, for a bit of seasoning?
Or just empty out the nearest asylum.

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RAZD
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Message 12 of 33 (435058)
11-18-2007 7:13 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by ringo
11-18-2007 5:01 PM


We should send simple and IamJoseph to round out the triumvirate.
"Whatever" and "the golfer" are other names for Simple ... and about 10 others during my time here. "Whatever" was the first I knew. He always betrays himself by his own particular views.
Not much "reinforcement" in any event.
As Jar says, they are their own worst arguments.
Enjoy.

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Message 13 of 33 (435065)
11-18-2007 8:20 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by RAZD
11-18-2007 7:13 PM


Razd,
Don't forget to include no evidence of anything older than 9,500 years old in Siberia and the Purdue study saying the artic sea temperature not air temp was approximately 73 degree's.
Simple is not me, but whatever in respect to the temp if the artic sea temp was 73 degrees no way greenland present mountain of ice could of existed.
A mountain of ice how would a tropical temperature over thousands of years not melt the base away from a mountain of ice.
Its not like a snow capped mountains you see in Seattle Washington held up by solid rock. No matter how you spin it the russian study does not support an old earth you need to change your thread to Evidence for a young earth, etc...
Enjoy !!!!!

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Message 14 of 33 (435066)
11-18-2007 8:23 PM
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11-18-2007 4:18 PM


What chance do the evilutionists have now?
Come on now you make it sound like they will be beating their heads against their computer.

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Brian
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Message 15 of 33 (435133)
11-19-2007 11:21 AM
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11-18-2007 8:23 PM


More likely to be shaking their heads in disbelief!

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