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pelican
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Message 196 of 302 (455082)
02-10-2008 8:02 AM
Reply to: Message 195 by nator
02-10-2008 7:11 AM


Re: This Topic
I would love to have a go. Do you want the belief and reasons why I believe it? I will give you a belief and have a think about it. Questions help me a lot, so feel free.
I believe my sole purpose on this earth is to become aware/realize that I am the sole creator of my own life experiences.

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nator
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Message 197 of 302 (455088)
02-10-2008 9:12 AM
Reply to: Message 196 by pelican
02-10-2008 8:02 AM


Re: This Topic
quote:
I believe my sole purpose on this earth is to become aware/realize that I am the sole creator of my own life experiences.
But that's not a "true belief" about natural phenomena.
That's a personal philosophical opinion.
Remember, bluejay wrote:
From my perspective, I find it extremely prideful to reject all material evidence in favor of belief in something based on personal feelings.
We are talking about material evidence of something in nature, not personal opinions about abstract concepts.
Here is the whole quote, in context:
From my perspective, I find it extremely prideful to reject all material evidence in favor of belief in something based on personal feelings. Anyone who holds his or her own feelings as more legitimate than something that can be slapped down on the table in front of him or her obviously feels that his or her feelings are more 'valuable' than any amount of work, education or other effort. The same can be said about someone who puts those same feelings as more credible than the dedicated work, education and academic sacrifice of thousands of people over the last 150 years. I see this as, not only prideful, but ignorant, self-important and downright perverse.
Clearly, he is not talking about personal philosophy, but about the physical evidence of Evolutionary Biology.
Edited by nator, : No reason given.

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Larni
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Message 198 of 302 (455097)
02-10-2008 10:41 AM
Reply to: Message 194 by pelican
02-10-2008 12:40 AM


Re: This Topic
paula writes:
Are you saying my beliefs could be scientifically tested?
Of course they could. Tell me one belief about the material world and we will see if you can test it.
Edited by Larni, : No reason given.

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Hill Billy
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Message 199 of 302 (455112)
02-10-2008 2:46 PM
Reply to: Message 189 by Dr Adequate
02-09-2008 1:32 PM


Dr. your words betray you.
Dr.
Whom do you hope to deceive by saying this?
Please clarify this deception you refer to.
You see, it does seem to me that your emotions are very involved in your responses and I do find that interesting. I am also suggesting that you are blending my words with a lot of your fantasy. Sort of like the way you fantasize here
Everyone reading this thread can see perfectly well that I was replying to words of yours which I not only read, but quoted.
that you can somehow supernaturally know what everyone else sees. I know its a fantasy cause it was spelled out so clearly in this very thread exactly what a fantasy is.
I guess a person can read pretty much whatever they want into whatever they read.
Edited by Hill Billy, : No reason given.

"Just cause what I say pisses you off does not mean that I said it just to piss you off." Me

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Hill Billy
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Message 200 of 302 (455117)
02-10-2008 3:17 PM
Reply to: Message 190 by Trixie
02-09-2008 2:48 PM


Really ?
Trixie, I'm still new at this science thing so please bear with me.
You have very graciously described to me the basics of science. Like being tentative, presenting your findings, including the methodology, and the like.
My last post to you was an attempt to implement these principals. Seems I was unsuccessful.
Or perhaps I was successful and my findings invalidated your own.
You couldn't be further off the mark if you tried in your assessment of me.
What evidence did you use to come to this conclusion? With the same evidence might I draw the same tentative conclusion?
Trixie, in my last post I posed no less that 14 questions. You answered none.
Let's just say that you're far superior to me, you're so much more valuable than me and I bow to your magnificent presence. There, happy now?
How bout lets just say you have planted your fingers in your ears and are yelling " LaLaLaLa ICANTHEARYOU! "
Is that a scientific attitude?

" If a body don't wanna hear what you're sayin it don't matter much how you say it" Some hillbilly.

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Hill Billy
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Message 201 of 302 (455119)
02-10-2008 3:58 PM


Repositioning to begin in 5....4...3..2.1
Beginning with the premise that evolutionists feel superior I was nudged into a re evaluation early in this thread. The new premise being, that the educated feel superior.
After a lot consideration, much of it prompted by the writings of C.F.O. and others in his camp, as well as my own feelings I, once again, am pressed into adopting a new position.
Based on the evidence, it seems that....
PEOPLE FEEL SUPERIOR.
Am I the only one who wonders how much effect emotions have on peoples conclusions?
Can a person be unaware of the influence of their emotions on their decisions?
Can a person act or even think independently of their emotions?

" If a body don't wanna hear what you're sayin it don't matter much how you say it" Some hillbilly.

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Trixie
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Message 202 of 302 (455120)
02-10-2008 4:15 PM
Reply to: Message 200 by Hill Billy
02-10-2008 3:17 PM


Re: Really ?
Lets just look at your closing comments shall we?
You should be ashamed of yourself. Shouldn't you? For participating.
You can stomp your feet and say no if you want. You can rationalize, justify, cry, deny. Don't matter much to me. I think, based on the evidence, I see you for what you are.
A bully.
And you call this the application of the principles of science? Based on these closing comments, your post didn't deserve any answers to your 14 questions which were just so much more of the same. It's called an ad hominem when you attack the person and not the argument and is a logical fallacy. Since your entire post was leading up to this ad hom, your claims of using scientific principles is disingenuous to say the least.
Oh and there was no contradiction in the two statements I made
I can't stop you spouting garbage
I don't think I'm a more valuable person
The first statement means that I can't stop you spouting garbage. That's a fact. You can spout as much garbage as you want, you can post it on the board and I can't stop you. It does makes a quality judgement on what you said, but not on you. If you choose to think that it makes a judgement on your value, then that's your decision. I have no way of stopping you making that decision, but that doesn't change the fact that I commented on your utterances and not on you.
The second statement means that I do not think that I'm a more valuable person than you. Since the first statement made absolutely no comment on your value relative to mine, the second statement doesn't contradict the first.
If you can't see any of this, then it's not due to a lack of explanation from me. Can you really not see that calling someone's argument idiotic is not calling the person idiotic, calling an argument stupid is not calling the person stupid?
You tossed any semblance of scientific attitude in the trash when you indulged in name-calling so don't complain when the reply you get doesn't show what you consider a scientific attitude. Level playing field and all that. If you want considered answers, try asking considered questions and quit with the name-calling.
Now, bottom line, you're far superior to me, you've proved that by name-calling, I again bow to your superior value as a person who can call people names and I humble myself before your superior name-calling skills.
I suggest that you now go take a flying fuck at a rolling donut.
Don't bother reporting this post, I'll do it myself!

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bluescat48
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Message 203 of 302 (455142)
02-10-2008 9:21 PM
Reply to: Message 201 by Hill Billy
02-10-2008 3:58 PM


Re: Repositioning to begin in 5....4...3..2.1
Hill Billy
Based on the evidence, it seems that....
PEOPLE FEEL SUPERIOR.
Superior to what?

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other

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ICANT
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Message 204 of 302 (455144)
02-10-2008 9:42 PM
Reply to: Message 203 by bluescat48
02-10-2008 9:21 PM


Re: Repositioning to begin in 5....4...3..2.1
Hi bluescat48,
bluescat48 writes:
Superior to what?
That's easy cat, everybody else.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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bluescat48
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Message 205 of 302 (455146)
02-10-2008 9:51 PM
Reply to: Message 204 by ICANT
02-10-2008 9:42 PM


Re: Repositioning to begin in 5....4...3..2.1
I don't feel superior or inferior , for that matter, to any one else.

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other

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Dr Adequate
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Message 206 of 302 (455157)
02-10-2008 10:56 PM
Reply to: Message 201 by Hill Billy
02-10-2008 3:58 PM


Re: Repositioning to begin in 5....4...3..2.1
Beginning with the premise that evolutionists feel superior I was nudged into a re evaluation early in this thread. The new premise being, that the educated feel superior.
No, the better educated feel better educated.
That's all.

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pelican
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Message 207 of 302 (455158)
02-10-2008 11:07 PM
Reply to: Message 197 by nator
02-10-2008 9:12 AM


Re: This Topic
From my perspective, I find it extremely prideful to reject all material evidence in favor of belief in something based on personal feelings.
What about true beliefs built on rational feeling, life experience and logic? No proof whatsoever. I have a few that no way could be proved scientifically and no-one who hasn't had these experiences would believe it.
You asked me to provide an example which I took literally to mean an example of a true belief I held that I could explain as true based on rational feelings, life experiences and logic.............
But that's not a "true belief" about natural phenomena.
.............. phew, I'm glad I got that wrong. I hadn't a clue how I could explain my belief but I wanted to show off my evolutionary superiorority. Damn. Thwarted again.
regards
But that's not a "true belief" about natural phenomena.
Edited by paula rose, : bad spelling

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pelican
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Message 208 of 302 (455160)
02-10-2008 11:26 PM
Reply to: Message 185 by Dr Adequate
02-09-2008 12:02 PM


Re: Trixie, your words betray you.
drinadequate writes:
Fortunately, your disingenuous fantasies are not at all likely to upset her; the insight that they inadvertently offer into your mental processes must surely compensate in unintentional humor for what they lack in charm.
You appear to be the only one who keeps seeing these fantasies. I'm beginning to worry about you. I'm sure Hill Billy wasn't fantasizing about Trixie crying. I'm sure Hill Billy knows she is much stronger than that. Did you see how Trixie kicked my arse when I was heinrik? Don't you go worrying your head over us females. We are from strong breeding stock.

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pelican
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Message 209 of 302 (455162)
02-10-2008 11:38 PM
Reply to: Message 198 by Larni
02-10-2008 10:41 AM


Re: true beliefs?
The belief I put forward is not actually about the material world but about humanity itself that resides in the physical world.
We are feeling, thinking, conscious beings experienced through a living body. I believe all three incorpoated create our life experiences. Could this belief be proved/disproved?

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Adminnemooseus
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Message 210 of 302 (455163)
02-10-2008 11:46 PM
Reply to: Message 201 by Hill Billy
02-10-2008 3:58 PM


Warning to Hill Billy
Looking through a fair sampling of your postings, I am having a hard time convincing myself that your collective output is anything more than totally worthless.
Might we try posting messages that shows some sincerity towards having a real discussion?
Feel free to respond to me in this topic. But it better be good.
Adminnemooseus

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