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robinrohan Inactive Member |
These boasts--I have run across a lot of them and can provide quotes if you like--just will not do.
However, it is necessary that we make a distinction. The reason the atheists boast is to show that they can be happy and can be moral without God. Very understandable. But we have to realize what is being said here. Yes, one can be happy and one can be moral, but one will also go to one's long home. It will be, in a hundred years, as if you never existed. You are of no more significance than a roach crawling across the floor. So one must understand that fact thoroughly before one speaks of "happiness" and "exemplary moral character" and the "wonder of life." Except in a practical sense, it will not do to speak of such things as happiness and morality. If one is an atheist one should never speak this way. One should say, "We are products of a mindless universe, accidentally produced. We will live out our lives, and have some pleasures, and grow old, and die." Edited by robinrohan, : No reason given. "Your friends, if they can, may bury you with some distinction, and set up a monument, to let posterity see that your dust lies under such a stone; and when that is done, all is done. Your place is filled up by another, the world is just in the same state it was, you are blotted out of its sight, and as much forgotten by the world as if you had never belonged to it."--William Law
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AdminFaith Inactive Member |
Well here we go again Robin, with one of your philosophical inquiries into the meaning of life.
Maybe I'm not the one to promote this since I usually like your opinions, but I won't until I get some other admin input anyway. I'm sure you can get a good argument going, but I'm not completely sure what your point is yet. What exactly are you saying here? An atheist SHOULDN'T be happy because he is going to stop existing? Atheists are deluding themselves, putting the facts of meaninglessness and death out of their lives and living a sham life or something like that? In other words their boasts are empty bravado? Is that what you mean by "just will not do?" They should, perhaps, be nihilists, if they were honest? But I don't want to get into discussing this with you here. Maybe you can clarify to show how this thread is going to be different from other threads on the subject. Edited by AdminFaith, : No reason given. Comments on moderation procedures (or wish to respond to admin messages)? - Go to:
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
They should, perhaps, be nihilists, if they were honest? That's it exactly. I think this topic is a little different, a little more direct than before. I'm sick of this boasting on the part of atheists and agnostics about how wonderfully happy they are. It makes me throw up.
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AdminFaith Inactive Member |
Argh, Robin, I can't promote a thread based on your nausea over atheist boasts. If you can't make it into something discussable, there isn't a thread here.
Edited by AdminFaith, : No reason given. Comments on moderation procedures (or wish to respond to admin messages)? - Go to:
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AdminPD Inactive Administrator |
Good call, Faith.
I agree. A thread based on nausea is not very healthy. (Sorry, couldn't resist) Carry On
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
I feel it is important not to make one's fellow posters sick.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
This is the type of comment I'm talking about:
The claim that morality cannot exist without belief in an archaic mythology is simply false. By my own existence as an atheist and a man of exemplary moral character, my existence (as well as the vast number of moral atheists out there) I disprove the first premise. Thus, the entire argument is invalid. "Your friends, if they can, may bury you with some distinction, and set up a monument, to let posterity see that your dust lies under such a stone; and when that is done, all is done. Your place is filled up by another, the world is just in the same state it was, you are blotted out of its sight, and as much forgotten by the world as if you had never belonged to it."--William Law
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
And then there's a different type of boasting:
I love life with robust enthusiasm, be it in appreciation for the sunshine after a week of cloudy skies, or in the intellectual pleasure of vigorous disagreement here at EvC. It is all part of the wonder of living, Ian. This is supposed to indicate how wonderfully energetic this person is.
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AdminSchraf Inactive Member |
replied.
forgot where I was. then I deleted Edited by AdminSchraf, : No reason given.
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AdminSchraf Inactive Member |
how about coffee house?
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
Yeah.
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AdminFaith Inactive Member |
Schraf seemed to be saying she was going to promote this but then didn't.
OK. Here's the ultimatum. Convince me this isn't just an excuse for personal attacks on other posters. "Boasts" certainly sounds like that's what you mean to do. But if you can rewrite your OP to show that you really intend to discuss what you see as the logical and reasonable implications of atheism, then I will seriously consider promoting it --unless other admins think it's a bad idea. Oh, you also need to make it clear what you mean by the vague phrase "it will not do."
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
Convince me this isn't just an excuse for personal attacks on other posters. "Boasts" certainly sounds like that's what you mean to do. ALL posts are, in a sense, an "attack," but this is not meant personally. But I am annoyed with the comments from various posters about how wonderful they are. They can't be THAT wonderful. I know what their point is. They are wonderful without God, etc., but I am annoyed by their attitude.
Oh, you also need to make it clear what you mean by the vague phrase "it will not do." It's an 18th century phrase: "No, Sir, this will not do." I mean it's not logically consistent. I love the 18th century.
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AdminFaith Inactive Member |
Thread moved to Coffee House
as "The boasts of atheists (Atheist self-deception). Now I'm going to try figure out how to close this thread. AdminFaith. Edited by AdminFaith, : No reason given. Take comments and responses to moderator messages here:
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