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Author Topic:   Are we all religious?
tigetmax
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Message 1 of 6 (498072)
02-07-2009 8:55 PM


Everyone has a world view. Everyone's world view involves the use of faith. Therefore, can it be fairly stated that we are all religious?

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Message 2 of 6 (498086)
02-08-2009 1:57 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by tigetmax
02-07-2009 8:55 PM


Not an adequate opening post (OP)
This is much to light to get a discussion off to a good start.
One obvious problem is that you need to define "faith" and "religious" as you are using them here.
Since you think that you have broadened the meanings of the words so far that they become meaningless. Do you intend to include someone who "religiously" watches football on Sunday with the religious devotion of the Pope? If so then I guess it is trivial to say that everyone is religious but then all anyone can say in response is "so what?" Yawn.
I suggest that if you want this promoted you'll have to define the words used and then give some idea of why you would bother to bring this up and what kind of comments you might expect in return.
When you have added that then reply to this post and someone will have another look at it.

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tigetmax
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Message 3 of 6 (498123)
02-08-2009 8:26 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by AdminNosy
02-08-2009 1:57 AM


Re: Not an adequate opening post (OP)
Your response is along the lines that I expected. As a "junior" member, I expect to be viewed as the local Rodney Dangerfield.
Still, you make an obvious and sensible point.
I'm assuming that the reader will go forward on the basic Webster definition of faith and religion. After all, it's the English language and words really do MEAN things...don't they?
You may be correct about the ability of this to spark debate, after all, you're the expert. Still, I think it's a valid point and a question that deserves some debate particularly with all the rage over the supposed "separation of church and state" issue.
Anyway, thanks for the response.
Cheers!

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Message 4 of 6 (498127)
02-08-2009 9:47 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by tigetmax
02-08-2009 8:26 AM


Re: Not an adequate opening post (OP)
I see no change in your OP.
Pointing to a dictionary does not define the way you are using the word. For many words (and faith is certainly one of them) there are several different defintions.
For example, faith has a handful of definitions with rather different meanings.
If you pick one of them then there is no point to this topic at all because, as you suggest, everyone has "faith" and, by your standards, are, I guess "religious". Therefore "So what?" and the discussion is over.
English words mean many things even in their denotations and much, much more in their connotations. You have to be clear. We get a lot of talking at cross purposes here just because people aren't using an agreed upon definition.
Your comment on "church and state" hints that you yourself may be equivocating (look it up) and the meaning of faith and religion which makes for a poor discussion.

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tigetmax
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Message 5 of 6 (498142)
02-08-2009 1:45 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by AdminNosy
02-08-2009 9:47 AM


Re: Not an adequate opening post (OP)
If this makes for poor discussion, it would seem that you and I have managed a pretty good back and forth thus far.
It may surprise you to learn that I'm already aware of what it means to equivocate.
You seem to be intimating that this forum is way too sophisticated for the likes of me. Perhaps so. If we must each spend time arriving at our own relative meaning/definition of each word in the English language, this indeed is probably not the place for me.
I understand the need to be clear. Wouldn't there also be some responsibility here on the part of the reader if further clarification is needed?
Also, concerning the "poor discussion" comment. As stated, you're the expert and ,in this case, judge , jury and executioner as well. We all know the good old saying about what opinions are like.
Still no change in my OP.
Thanks for your time.

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Message 6 of 6 (498147)
02-08-2009 3:51 PM
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02-08-2009 1:45 PM


Ok thanks for dropping by
Since you don't appear to want to work at it I'll close this for you and you can join other discussions until you figure out how things work.
If another admin is interested they can open it and make suggestions to you as well.

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