Were The Prophets/Messiahs Jesus and Mohammed Inspired By The Same God?

Who cares if it causes disputes? That's totally irrelevant. Basically this is off topic. The topic is whether both religions worship the same God. I have said more than once that you can take your pick, but that they both can't be right. If you believe the Koran then fine, that's your prerogative, what you CANNOT logically do is say that both religions worship the same God. The Koran rationalizes their claim that Ishmael was Abraham's heir on the basis of primogeniture, the very thing that the Bible shows over and over again is not respected by God, not to mention all the other things in the Bible that depend upon Isaac's being the heir.But I don't care if you want to believe the Koran. What you can't do is claim that both are valid.

you've been told repeatedly that that name is incorrect. how is this not an insult to the arab people? when the qu'ran says something mean about christians, it's not valid. but when the bible says it about arabic people, it's the word of god?what makes the bible's insults valid, and the qu'ran's not? what makes one text better than the other? you're not going to answer this question quoting either text. and this argument doesn't fly either. do you think the arabians didn't exist when genesis was written? the story is an explanation of why these two peoples were at war at the time of authorship.

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because it kind of explains why we're having this argument, doesn't it? it kind of explains why there's war in the middle east today, and there has been for thousands of years.jews say one thing, muslims say something else. they're both claiming the same birthright, and often the same land. which is why you of course have now denied that jews and christians worship the same god. because there are pretty clear differences there. ok, then the old testament isn't valid either. you can't have it both ways.

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Thanks for coming on, Iblis. You raise a valid and sensible question.1. Islam, whose god is Allah is different than the religions you mention here, in that the Muslim god Allah was one of the 200+ pre-Islamic pagan gods worshipped by the polytheistic tribes of the region at Mecca and was regarded as the moon god. Imo, the crescent moon of Islam is indicative of this also.2. Islam theocracies do not recognize the proper name of the Biblical god, Jehovah in their lands. You go to some of these lands and preach Jehovah openly and you die or are persecuted. So they themselves also do not, at least in practice, recognize the Biblical god as one and the same as Allah, their god.3. Likely you'd also jeopardize yourself by going to a place like Saudi Arabia and preaching that "Allah is god and his prophet is Jesus." Yet they mouth that Jesus is/was a prophet of 'god.' The rhetoric Muhammed used seems to be a lot about getting folks under his power, using Bibllical stuff but in practice the Bible and it's doctrines is not welcome.

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From "THE MONKEY'S VIEWPOINT: Man descended, the ornery cuss, but he surely did not descend from us!"

How many God's are there buz?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

....And you've been told repeatedly that it is correct. Keep repeating your mistake and you'll keep on being corrected. The word ass is the Biblical word for horse, mule, or donkey. It was not meant as an insult as is evident if you had kept it in context when you posted it. It was said that way to depict the violent nature the descendents would have. These cultures have a history of violence, especially toward Israel through the centuries both BC and AD. Are you saying/implying that Ismaelite descendents are not primarily Muslims and not hostile against Israel?

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From "THE MONKEY'S VIEWPOINT: Man descended, the ornery cuss, but he surely did not descend from us!"

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Pro 26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.

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no, it's the ENGLISH word. ok, so if i call your wife "a bitch" it's ok, because i just meant that she was like a dog? insults are insults, buz. donkeys are violent? god, they could have picked a better animal. like a bear, or a wolf, or a lion... no, those are too noble, aren't they? lion of judah, etc? the violence is not the issue. well, they weren't muslims when genesis was written. they weren't muslim for at least another 1200 years. they were still a warring external tribe the israelites didn't like and often fought with.

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The Augustine quote seemed relevant to me because it suggested how one might resolve conflicts involving one's understanding of Scripture.When faced with claims that seem to violate the natural order--say, the sun standing still or a Flood--some Christians conclude the most reasonable course is to look for meaning within the narrative, not to insist on it being an inerrant and literal account.It would seem to me reasonable to consider both elements of an apparent Scriptural contradiction in the same manner--if one comports with known physical law and one does not, then the prior must more likely be true. Most of these problems, of course, disappear when one looks at the Bibles as anthologies laced with parable and metaphor.That's not your view, of course, but that doesn't make my thoughts on the subject off-topic. Indeed, you did reply. I became fond of the sentence and want to carry it around in my pocket for a while.

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What I refuse to accept is your insistence that your beliefs about your beliefs constitute evidence in support of your beliefs.

The Christian God and the Muslim God are not the same God because Jesus said that he is the only way to God. Mohammed himself didn't even know whether his vision was from God or from the devil but his wife talked him into believing that his vision of allah was from God. "A house divided against itself cannot stand." Jesus also said; "He who is not with me is against me." One cannot both believe that Jesus is the truth and at the same time believe that he tells lies also. It's one or the other. Allah is the figment of the imagination of Mohammed which is one reason why no one ever curses allah but all unbelievers curse the name of Christ every single day. So deep inside everyone's heart, we all know who's Lord.

There is quite a bit of unsupported information in your post, and some misinformation.For example, this: Muhammad never claimed to have seen Allah, the Qur'an was revealed to Muhammad via the angel Gabriel (Jibreel). But, we know that Jesus told lies, he was supposed to have returned within the lifetime of his audience, he lied. There are other lies of course, but one lie is enough. He also said, whoever is not against Him is with Him! Not very clever Jesus was He? And Jesus is a figment of Paul's imagnation, guess that is them equal then? ALL unbelievers, EVERY day?It seems that you are prone to figments in your imagination as well.Brian.

Tell me about it. I'm kept up at night by all the unbelievers out on the street, screaming their curses upon the name of Christ at all hours. It's all "damn you, Christ!" this, and "Jesus, you dick!" that, sometimes until four or five am.Look people, I know that as unbelievers, you feel a special need to curse the name of the One True Lord, but you know what? Some of us have work in the morning. The best kind of believer is the one who tells you what you're really thinking. Bravo, Carico. Bravo.

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"I fail to comprehend your indignation, sir. I've simply made the logical deduction that you are a liar."
-Spock

Are people basically arguing that the old testament carries less weight and should not be given the same stature as the newer books?If I am understanding the arguments here, the new testament is basically being used as a trump card on the old testament.Up until approximately 2000 years ago the jews were the only people worshipping a judeo-christian god. Then (and I'm being very simplistic here) a sect of Jews broke off and became what we now know as Christians. Both Jews and Christians have the old testament... Christians also have the new testament.I see a few possibilities1. Christians and Jews worship the same god, although certain facts about that belief diverged 2000 years ago.2. Let's say Jews worship a different god.... That means that the christian god was never worshipped before 2000 years ago or did not even exist before 2000 years ago.3. Jews used to worship god but now they don't even though they are worshipping him the same way they always have. This doesn't even make sense to me, so I'll probably throw this one out.If jews and christians aren't worshipping the same god (albeit in different ways) then I don't see how the old testament is not bunk.I'm no biblical scholar (in fact, much of what I know of the bible was learned on this message board!), but it seems to me that it is obvious that jews and christians worship the same god.

I'll ask you the same questions, very simple ones, I've asked Faith and buz.How many GODs are there?Did Jesus say that GOD is the God of Abraham and Isaac?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

That is assuming that Jesus said that, and somebody didn't misquote him. But one can believe that the people that wrote about Jesus lied or were mistaken. I have no idea what this means. Islam speak of Jesus (pbuh) with reverence.

Huh? What did that unsupported stew have to do with my post?Your thoughts seem fervidly disjointed. I'd cut back on the red pills and take an extra blue.In the meantime, if you want to challenge or question my post, I'd be happy to reply.

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What I refuse to accept is your insistence that your beliefs about your beliefs constitute evidence in support of your beliefs.