Psychology looks at atheism and theism. Also, atheism is tenuous/non-existent/rare ..

TO: crashfrog Please see my most recent post to you which is post #60.TO: contracycle You contracycle wrote regarding alledged true atheist martyrs:

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Nonsense; many communists have sacrificed their lives for the benefit of others and humanity in general. Karl Liebknecht and Rosa Luxembourg are probably the most famous, but I'd consider the bulk of the Russian Bolsheviks to qualify. Che Guevara of course is probably the most popularised.

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First I cite what I, kendemyer, wrote above which you never addressed:

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You are not showing that the reason why the Communist soldiers killed themselves was because of atheism. It could have been nationalism or a belief that capitalism was inherently evil. Now am I saying that it offers zero evidence? No, I am not.....After all is said and done using Communist soldiers is like me using American WWII soldiers who died for God, country, family, and the freeworld as being Christian martyrs. I think this would be poor on my part.

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My additional comnents:Again, this boards sympathies should be with science and empiricism. If you have multiple variables this is not exactly strong evidence. Communism was at one time a very agressive and somewhat strong force in the political realm. It is no sectet that politics arises passions and often strong passions. I also think you should consider what I wrote to crashfrog that since professed atheism implies skepticism you should strongly consider offering high quality evidence in order to be consistent. I realize that you did make an effort to produce evidence and I appreciate this but I do not think it is of high or moderate degree of quality.Sincerely,Ken

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If a professed materialist wishes to dispute the sincerity of Christian martyrs, I would suggest they at least offer one materialist martyr with a supporting link first).

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Invalid comparison.The existence or nonexistence of materialist martyrs is completely irrelevant to the question of the sincerity of Christian martyrs.

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Science is alledgedly the reason why professed atheist reject God according to many professed atheists.

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Not many of the athiests I know.

Hi Ken,Could you please answer me the following question:With regards to theism, what do I (Lindum) believe?If you cannot answer this, please state why.
If you can answer this, please state how.Concise answers in your own words are preferable. Cheers.PS: for bonus points you can tell me what my favourite colour is.

I can't believe those responding to Ken on this thread have put more thought into what they're typing than "Ken, you're an asshat."You people are far more patient than I am.

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"Good evening. I'm playing the role of Jesus; a man once portrayed on the big screen by Jeffery Hunter. You may remember him as the actor who was replaced by William Shatner on Star Trek. Apparently Mr. Hunter was good enough to die for our sins, but not quite up to the task of seducing green women."
-Stewie Griffin

Yeah, but rephrasing "Ken, you're an asshat.", doesn't take too much thought.

Dear Lindum,It is a pleasure to hear from a polite UK professed atheist. You certainly show a higher degree of decorum than evcforum's crashfrog. I think in some regards crashfrog would do well to follow your example in regards to civility (see post #60). It would not surprise me if you speak the Queen's English as well. Please do not take crashfrog as further proof of the "Ugly American" behavior of Americana.However, even though you are noticeably more polite than crashfrog I would ask that out of politeness you directly address the issue of the apparent wavering nature of atheism amoung professed atheist which I presented and the evidence which does suggest that perhaps professed atheist especially those are a militant variety perhaps are not paragons of mental wellness. If you could also address the question of self absorbtion and the attendant social science and other data I presented this would be helpful.As far as what you believe regarding theism you have been very reticient to go into much detail in our debates at EVCFORUM at other websites in terms of evidence or your rationales. So if you did have any significant reasons for rejecting God it seems odd that you consistently and repeatedly offer nothing but at the same time continue to post to me. If anyone doubts this please look at Lindum's post to me at evcforum and Forums - TheologyWeb Campus which are available. I do realize that an absence of evidence is not necessarily an evidence of absence so perhaps you do have such evidence. If you do please open a thread on this topic. I strongly suspect you will not. But perhaps, I am overly skeptical in this regard. I suspect not though. Here is a site to critique though should you wish to find material for your thread: Page not found - Apologetics.comSo given my initial posts data and your past behavior as a guide I reason that you fit the profile in my initial post. Of course in empical science there is less than 100% certainly but I feel it is a reasonable position to take.

Oh come on Schraff. All the proclaiming unbelievers I know think that God has something to do with fairytales/delusions. EVERY proclaiming unbeliever I have met mentions naturalism and the irrational position of "belief". At no time has a proclaiming unbeliever "seen" any design, apart from poor design, despite the fine-tuning of the universe. Hence the wild and desperate multiple universe theories.All my experience has shown me these basic positions; "But we've found out now how we came to be, through evolution, God didn't make us"..(This is a regular proclaimer's argument I've came across)Other well conjured and vastly superior arguments(lol) include "sky daddy" and "your dependent on emotion rather than intellect"....Lmao.SO I'm with Ken - prove you're an atheist. You have so far offered no evidence.I think it is reasonable that I think you proclaim atheism because of your own dissatisfaction with God, and you deep down know that God exists. You must wake up from these delusions that God doesn't exist, that regularly comfort you, despite your deep subconscious realization of God's existence. It's time to face this unavoidable reality. You have to stop this "comfort" reasoning which is emotional, and stop taking comfort from hoping death is the end.

TO: DanI provided studies from a variety of social scientists regarding the behavior of professed atheists and those of a less religious nature. I do not think your post offered much to readers.Therefore, I will give you the attention your post deserves as say the following:

TO: DanI provided studies from a variety of social scientists regarding the behavior of professed atheists and those of a less religious nature. I also offered data from some well known professed atheists. For example, Dawkins who I suspect has been quoted more than once on this board. However, I do not think your post offered much to readers.Therefore, I will give you the attention your post deserves as say the following:

It's true... I didn't offer anything you hadn't already made clear, Ken.

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"Good evening. I'm playing the role of Jesus; a man once portrayed on the big screen by Jeffery Hunter. You may remember him as the actor who was replaced by William Shatner on Star Trek. Apparently Mr. Hunter was good enough to die for our sins, but not quite up to the task of seducing green women."
-Stewie Griffin

TO: MiketheWizThank you for concurring with me that the professed atheist have not produced evidence that would follow the principles of this board and other standards. Perhaps, they will attempt to do some due diligence or debate in good faith but so far they have not chose to do so.To: chiropteraPlease go the the locker room at TWEB. There is a message for you that I will post very shortly.Sincerely,Ken

Schraf,None of the atheists you know are unimpeachable sources. Plus, they're crazy.

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I don't need any studies from any social scientist to know what I believe.

I think the problem is that they're not practicing what they preach. Crashfrog offered a logical deduction as "evidence" he is atheist. But I could say;I am a killer
I existTherefore, a killer exists.However, I'm not a killer really, and so haven't provided evidence. My argument is validly deduced yet false.Though I have no reason to doubt Crashfrogs assertion, maybe he can apreciate the position of us believers a bit more now, when told we are emotional fruitcakes who believe in skydaddy, and we're told our prayers are false, post-hoc reasoning and confirmation biased.So yes, where's the evidence that you proclaiming unbelievers unbelieve? You certainly act as if you'd rather there wasn't a God. I'm curious. Surely a professing unbeliever would not argue so much against the idea of God unless his comfort zone is being attacked.