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Brad McFall
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Message 1 of 7 (8142)
04-03-2002 11:11 AM


In 1932, in THE JOURNAL OF EXPERIMENTAL ZOOLOGY (Vol.61,No.2, February) A.H. Hersh and Esther Ward published a paper in which it was proposed to use the term thermophene for derivatives related by a genetically controlled phenotypic quantity with an independent external variable when investigating the effect of temperature on the wing size in melanogaster genic activity.
On is often taught that one can "understand" temperature by the kinetic energy of moving objects (elements of the periodic table of elements in various combinations or alone) but this was "thought" by James Clerk Maxwell in Nature, vol.10 {Over de Continuiteit van den Gas en Vloeostpftpestand. Academisch profschrift. Door Johanes Diderik van der Walls (Leiden: A.W. Sijtoff, 1873) where after distinguishing the kinetic energy and the virial
"In gases the virial i s very small compared with the kinetic energy. Hence if the kinetic energy is constant, the product of the pressure and the volume remains constant. This is the case of a gas at a constant temperature. Hence we might be justified in conjecturing that the temperature of any one gas is determined by the kinetic energy of unit of mass."
notice this depends on the "unit of mass" no matter whether the Virial is of a repulisve or attractive science. We had been taught this about the kinetic energy for whatever potential pedagogic reason becuase unlike the VIRIAL which requires the concept of force in its defintion that of kinetic energy requires only motion. The differnece of kinematics and dynamics would come to be learnt After introducing this speific way to convieve the change between potential and kinetic energy that in this case of gas is small for the magnitude of the virial no matter the mass. I am not accusing evolution thinking for what I am about to develop but there remains the possiblity that socially its unnessary conflict has caused to hold this science from being developed in the nature it is.
The THERMOPHENE, notwithstanding Provine's claim that this phenotype can not even be "imagined" by William Provine to exist on this surface, was proposed in a phase of study of genic action which was just getting underway that not merely was working to determine the magnitude of genetic effects under standard conditions, but chantres in the magnitude of such phenotypic qunatities over the range of a controllable variable"So though Cambell may be even correct were he here to argue agaisnt me that I am not seeing a temperature summation potentially in the wing of the fly but only a uniform association I do not see how it can be aruged that adaptations be not added to phases of matter as plasma was to solid, ligiudds and gases but THIS change the teaching of bioloigc change depends on the acutal magnitude of virials and my idea that transcription/translation is the tool or machine that enables NERGATIVE VIRIALS to exist in a syntheic chemsitry environemtn that withouth the linear inertia of DNA replication could not occur NO MATTER THE GRAVITY(stresses would need to be discriminated from electolytic moleuclar motion in the overall description of free paths to which I ascribe herein adapted gene frequencies that Fisher over looked but not Wirght to a phase of matter between gas and liquid but more on the grammer later.) There may need to be a development also in the concept of the mutation as X-rays involutions of electro-magnetism as opposed to current ion flow changes etc lexically etc etc.
I have not looked into all of the details but I think that this is a testable idea that the thermophene that while the pressure and volume can remain constant for the kinetic theory of gas but the thermophene vary neverthless (desptie generall fit to aArhenius equation) for a phenotype or adaptaion no matter the uniforma association is not a gas nor a "pool"(Dobshansky) AS MAXWELL pointed out for gas that Vand der Walls may have been "too hasty" (AND PROVINE TO FOR ALLOWING ME TO BE KICKED OUT OF SCHOOL) in assuming that the temperature of a substance is in every case measured by the energy of agiatation of its individual molecules EVEN THOUGH THIS IS THE CASE FOR GAS.
and we students have be misuderstood becuase we were lied to that we had to understand the kinetic from atomic science and not the other way around no matter thpotential incerase of use of Cantor acutal infities herein and any thermodynamics Creationists point out to evolutionsists. Some multi-culturism is not to be blamed for not flying planes into towers whether Lorenz was correct about this analogy to repulsion or not.
Classical genetics can be read as a science that was grouping with alternative means to measure substantial temperature no matter the view on caloric one may have and say that this idea is insane is committed 1/2 of genetics history to the lunatic lampoon as well thus can not be tolerated even in the idea to remove Prayer from schools. May we pray that nano-techonology that is not seneistive to testing this path does not build up instrumentation that can collapse a food web before some of these clearly workable, testable and philsophical ideas are worked on, up and out.
Ya, know, I may be wrong in the use of the THEorem of Clausius that equates the kinetic energy to a the sum of a pressure/volume term with an ATTRACTIVE(postiive) virial but if the A-bomb or bio-tech was being built wich could harm civilization was being built and this possibility that for military reasons (origin of concept of gene"code" from Blanery Park tube by tube removing one enigma at Turing time) is not reasonable to accept the same $$ in research then the answer to the RNA that the meaning in the message still remains, remains and the possiblity that while no atom transfers are going on (only mitosis, meiosis, DNA replication, transcription and translaiotn and expression) this may be an emprical geometry no miltary trinagulaiton(metabolic) has ever achieved (I think Dyson was wrong too) and is the repulive viral of an orangic isotherm that measrures temperqture differtnly than (possibly) any physcio-chemistry can be, cause unlike atom bombs that can only kill techon-biology may help in life-- CONversly. You can invert a question in the last word.

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Message 2 of 7 (8152)
04-03-2002 5:41 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Brad McFall
04-03-2002 11:11 AM


Well, of course. If the term actual magnitude of the kinetic energy and gases the uniform association is not the kinetic energy and the wing of a phenotype of the kinetic energy of agitation of a gas at a paper testable idea that this was thought by a genetically controlled phenotypic quantity with the kinetic energy of a pool phase of gas.
On the teaching of genetic effects under standard conditions, this is insane and is constant for the virial in assuming that it is very small compared with an independent external variable when investigating the kinetic energy of actual infinities herein. Esther Ward published a paper in Nature over the pressure and the kinetic energy to Arhenius equation, for not looked into all of virials and the magnitude of gases can one understand the energy.
A phase substance is in the magnitude that any one can understand the teaching of the term kinetic energy of genetic effects under standard conditions, but this was just getting underway that I have to be justified in kinetic effect of virials and the thermophene. The kinetic energy of the view on the wing of temperature of a substance is not even be imagined, read as a genetically controllable variable when investigating the elements in various combinations or not added a uniform association in gases the range of unit of the product of the temperature of genic activity.
Of course, I could be wrong.
--Percy

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Mister Pamboli
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Message 3 of 7 (8153)
04-03-2002 5:51 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by Percy
04-03-2002 5:41 PM


Uncanny, Percy, quite uncanny. How did you do it? Substance abuse, William Burroughs' cut and paste technique, surrealist word games?

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Message 4 of 7 (8158)
04-03-2002 7:46 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by Mister Pamboli
04-03-2002 5:51 PM


Help, I think I'm in deep trouble. I thought herp eer Brad was the incomprehensible one and Percy was the one who made sense. Now I can't tell them apart. Is it just me? Is it some contagius virus which is spread through the net?
Posterior confabulation. Darwin, Darwin, my kingdom for a Wallace.
A gene by any other phylum would still smell as phenolic.
AAAAHH it's got me. Goodbye cruel phenotype. Alas poor herp, I knew him.

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mark24
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Message 5 of 7 (8171)
04-04-2002 4:54 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by Percy
04-03-2002 5:41 PM


LOL! :-)
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Occam's razor is not for shaving with.

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Brad McFall
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Message 6 of 7 (8187)
04-04-2002 1:11 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by Percy
04-03-2002 5:41 PM


I have some net business to do today so I do not have time for a detailed communication, but to those are preparing to hear something acutally, everyone should know that this is a dimensional argument whether using the philosophy/liguistics of uniform association or not for which I did not give the reference ~1920s but phenomenologically in or out, I still refer this issue, no matter the physics, back to Cantor's enthusiastic communication with Dedekind on denmuerablity and other infinites who squashed Cantors hope to definitvely (non-philosophically) criticize the Greek concePt of Dimension.
I was not impressed with Mandelbrot, but when I tried to discuss a "fractal thermomenter" with Simon Levin he said both eventually I was being "too" philosophical and trying to get on the fractal "bandwagon"
As I said, I do not have time today to circle the wagon here. but later and God Bless.

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Brad McFall
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Message 7 of 7 (235675)
08-22-2005 6:44 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by Mister Pamboli
04-03-2002 5:51 PM


Percy was correct with the word "association".
I will show that the "uniform association" can be decomposed into a causal graph for the thermostat such that the kinetic theory of gases distributes at worst in a latent variable BETWEEN macrothermodyanic stationary and non-stationary chemical "traps" of the chromatographic colluum (Gladyshev in press (in Russian)2003 citing EVC THREAD Evolution vs. Thermodyanmics) into an indirect variable obeying Gladyshev's law. All that was needed was to "define" this conditioned "order" of an association(Shipley p246 Cause and Correlation in Biology)"as the number of variables in the conditioning set".
I will review the aforesaid book with full illustrations of all comments relative to this statement I know. I am almost done reading it. I should be able to offer JavaMan further justification for how thermodynamics supporting biology that is larger domain wise than evolutionary theory wins in the thread aforesaid if this was only the form rather than the material of the debate. No mystical influence will be proposed but the latency might not counter-indicate other influenced motivations IN the same frequent probablities.
The variables will be {physical cause, biological cause, thermostat, stationary ""coluum, nonstationary collum'',Gladyev law obeying series of ontogeny and phylogeny with crossed up space and time dimensions} The first two causes will be premised philosophically to be independent but future causal inference will be suspect if the association HETEROGENOUSLY produces a latent cause IN SERIES between the traped chemicals of a different correlation.
PS what is up with the EvC Search Function? I can not find the thread Dr. Gladyshev put into print in Moscow and sent to me in 2004?

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