The Great Fabricator: Ron Wyatt

I'm starting this thread to continue discussing the validity of the fascinating discoveries of Ron Wyatt originally presented in the Theory: Why The Exodus Myth Exists thread.The claims about Ron, made by Lysimachus, are so extraordinary, I'd hate to see this arguement waste away from simply being off topic in another thread.

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Probably the most ludicrous thing about Ron Wyatt was that he found almost everything mentioned in the Bible, yet the great 'biblical archaeologists' such as William Albright, John Garstang, Nelson Glueck, William Dever etc didnt find a fraction of what Ron claims to have found. The guy had a real talent, just walked around and the artefacts jumped out at him, what a gift.It is a real pity that Ron had no archaeological training, is he had surveyed these locations properly then perhaps there may be something useful. Also, his lack of archaeological training could mean that he accidently destroyed a great many artefacts.The whole sorry episode is a con, it is a pity that some of the Christians who buy his garbage have such a weak faith or this scam would have died a death years ago.Brian.

It sure sounds suspicious, Brian but how are we to judge how much of a con it is? What do we have to substantiate that claim?

One key factor of science is that you provide all of your data and information so that others can either verify or falsify your conclusions.If you look at that criteria, how does Ron Wyatt stand?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Hello, NosyNed.I am trying to use Google to find a quote that I read a long time ago about Wyatt. It was by a Christian partner of his (I believe he was involved in some of Wyatt's expeditions) who eventually had a falling out with him because the person didn't see the things Wyatt claimed he saw.He was quoted as saying something like he didn't believe that Wyatt was lying; he believed that Wyatt had this great capacity to convince himself of anything he wanted to believe. So, if this assessment is accurate, Wyatt himself did believe in what he found. More of a crank that a conman.I'll keep looking to see whether I can find the quote.It should be noted that AnswersInGenesis disputes Wyatt's claims.

AiG:

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The Wyatt/Gray claims are truly astonishing (see Amazing claims). Unfortunately, reputable Bible-believing archaeologists and other experts willing and capable of giving an objective assessment are never able to check out the claimed artifacts. There is generally a plausible-sounding story as to why that is impossible, or why the time is not right. The alleged finding of the Ark of the Covenant (see also The Ark of the Covenantcould it even be found?) is associated with claims of supernatural intervention, photographs mysteriously getting fogged or vanishing, and ‘Men in Black’ style government cover-ups.

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Are the claims true? If they are, such a staggeringly impressive list would mean that Ron Wyatt had been almost as miraculously assisted by God as the patriarch Moses.4 If, however, a careful examination of just one or two of these claims reveals them to be false, fanciful or fraudulent, the ‘divine leading’ option evaporates, and it is clear that Christians are being seriously misled.

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Pretty much sums it up, doesn't it? What is your response to this Lysimachus? Is AiG also mistaken?

I found a website that asserts that the claims of Ron Wyatt are a hoax and they have letters from involved parties. Check it out at
Ron Wyatt Archaeological Research Fraud Documentation (WAR, W.A.R.).

At first sight, the site you cite does not seem to offer any proof but rather only more allegations. I would rather stick to things that can be reviewed and either afirmed or denied. That should not be much of a problem since Ron Wyatt never produced anything that could even be considered evidence.The key things for me is that during his life he never presented any evidence whatsoever for independant review. Based on that alone, I find it as impossible to consider Wyatt a reasonable source as any other totally unverified claims. In addition, since no one else has even been able to duplicate Mr. Wyatt's findings, I would have to put the likelyhood of them being correct at slightly below the likelyhood of Cold Fusion.Frankly, I have no more problems with Ron Wyatt's organization pedaling their videos than I do with Steven Spielberg selling ET and Close Encouters videos and t-shirts. This fortunately is a free market and if they are able to convince folk that what is being presented is reality rather than fiction, well, there is a thriving industry pandering to those that believe in UFOs and LGMs.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

jar I agree,however the advantage is we have the e-mail addresses of those who make the claims on both sides of the coin including those who support Wyatt.I am game if you are to see if we can do something here that I think would be extremely challenging but would be something new in the way of our debates. I propose that we would give each side a chance to back up or shut up about their claims and to document the attempts so that we may keep a running record of the investigation. In this way we can keep a permanent record that allows us not to be backed into the typical corner of debate falling into the "you have your opinion I have mine" scenario.Anyone here think this is a good idea?

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"Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts. "

Sounds good to me if you can get them to reply.

Wyatt even claims to of found the Ark of the Covenant underneath Mt. Moriah !Then he claims that God positioned it so that when Jesus died His blood dripped on the Kaporeth/mercy seat.Wyatt then "interprets" Romans 3:25 erroneously.The verse is mistranslated, it should read 'propitiatory' and not 'propitiation'(source: Dr. Gene Scott) EVERY manuscript has 'propitiatory'.The propitiatory is in HEAVEN where Christ Himself delivered His blood. Calvary is where propitiation happened/payment for sins.If you want to read about these crank claims then type into Google "Ron Wyatt" then scroll down to "Mercy Seat/Blood".Wyatt is a con artist; his website is one big solicitation for money.

Unfortunately, people keep referencing Wyatt for proof of biblical events. Just look at Message 71.

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The Laminator

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It is dumb trash burning fundementalists who flock to a Wyatt because their country bumpkin minds want so desparately to be able to believe his junk.If I ever saw Wyatt on the street I would knock him down.

"If I ever saw Wyatt on the street I would knock him down."Awe crap, I just dropped ice cream on me!