|
Author
|
Topic: Why is evolutions primary mechanism mutation ?
|
|
igor_the_hero
|
|
Message 1 of 141 (360620)
09-13-2005 5:25 PM
|
|
|
I have trouble grasping why evolution has chosen one of the most random events known to humankind as its mechanism. The chances of it succeeding are so astronomical. First you must have some force that evolves into mutation. Then an element must find how to use mutation to become a one celled organism. It must then have a perfectly positive mutation. If it does not it will die. So another element would have to go through this same process. Supposing it is succesful it must then become aquainted with its new form. It must learn how to reproduce and all other vital systems. If it reproduces wrong then it will die. As it is a cell it must learn how to reproduce by division. Once it dies, another cell must then try this process. As evolution took place over millions of years the chances of two cells evolving at the same time are virtually nil. Assuming one cell over comes all boundaries and becomes a multi-celled organism it must then learn how to feed,breath,reproduce,and basically survive. I would like someone to explain this problem to me, because I do have more questions.
|
|
igor_the_hero
|
|
|
Message 5 of 141 (360624)
09-13-2005 8:38 PM
|
Reply to: Message 4 by Gary
09-13-2005 8:29 PM
|
|
I mean more along the lines of how does a single-celled organism that reproduced asexually change into a creature that reproduces sexually. According to evolution we all started as single-celled organisms,but now we reproduce sexually. Also, no change is neccesarily slight. All have massive impacts on everything around them. If it changes into a vulnerable herbivore it will be added to other creatures diets. If it becomes carnivorus, it must compete with territorial carnivors. But if it dies would that mean another billion years to get to thid point?
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 4 by Gary, posted 09-13-2005 8:29 PM | | Gary has responded |
|
|
igor_the_hero
|
|
|
Message 7 of 141 (360626)
09-13-2005 9:41 PM
|
Reply to: Message 6 by Gary
09-13-2005 9:38 PM
|
|
Thank you for this information. I have more questions that need to wait for a different time.
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 6 by Gary, posted 09-13-2005 9:38 PM | | Gary has not yet responded |
|
|
igor_the_hero
|
|
|
Message 9 of 141 (360628)
09-13-2005 10:13 PM
|
Reply to: Message 8 by Modulous
09-13-2005 10:00 PM
|
|
Re: Evolution's primary mechanism
Evolution can only occur so often though. It must occur in multiple organisms at once and its chances for succeeding become smaller everytime.1 cell to copy 1:1 probability of success. 2 celled organism to copy 1:2 chance of success,so on and so forth. You yourself just said this is just a bunch of chemicals and only self-replicates. Eventually it will reach where it needs to breathe and eat. When it does, it will have no prior info about these things. It needs to learn how to eat, what to eat, how to breathe, etc. Seeing as how single-celled organisms crawled out of the sea we do not yet have to worry about dehydration. If you can explain this then we can move to my ohter questions.
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 8 by Modulous, posted 09-13-2005 10:00 PM | | Modulous has responded |
|
|
igor_the_hero
|
|
|
Message 12 of 141 (360631)
09-13-2005 10:57 PM
|
Reply to: Message 11 by Modulous
09-13-2005 10:41 PM
|
|
Re: Evolution's primary mechanism
About the probability, you must have mutation in all cells. All must be a positive mutation. So, that is the probability of a successful mutation as stated in Scientific Creatinism.
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 11 by Modulous, posted 09-13-2005 10:41 PM | | Modulous has responded |
|
|
igor_the_hero
|
|
|
Message 14 of 141 (360633)
09-13-2005 11:10 PM
|
Reply to: Message 13 by Modulous
09-13-2005 11:09 PM
|
|
Re: Evolution's primary mechanism
I will have to reread it to be sure.
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 13 by Modulous, posted 09-13-2005 11:09 PM | | Modulous has not yet responded |
|
|
igor_the_hero
|
Re: Evolution's primary mechanism
These questions arose from reading biological textbooks. Keep in mind that the school system does not give a satisfactory explanation of evolution. We are told that natural selection decides what must mutate and it is successful. I am asking why it chooses this random factor as its mechanism.
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 17 by Wounded King, posted 09-14-2005 5:09 AM | | Wounded King has not yet responded |
|
|
igor_the_hero
|
|
|
Message 21 of 141 (360640)
09-14-2005 4:15 PM
|
Reply to: Message 20 by jar
09-14-2005 4:08 PM
|
|
Re: Evolution's primary mechanism
If it is a description of the enviorment, then why aren't all animals the same? If natural selection decides this depending on the enviorment then why do some animals hibernate and migrate?
If life wasn't meant to be lived then why is there death?
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 20 by jar, posted 09-14-2005 4:08 PM | | jar has responded |
| Replies to this message: | | | Message 23 by jar, posted 09-14-2005 4:22 PM |
|
|
igor_the_hero
|
|
|
Message 24 of 141 (360643)
09-14-2005 4:26 PM
|
Reply to: Message 23 by jar
09-14-2005 4:22 PM
|
|
Re: Evolution's primary mechanism
But mutations can only occur so often. You are lucky to get one good mutation every say 1 billion years. When it moves in a positive direction you have evolution. When it moves in a negative direction you have entropy. You speak of copying DNA but that is embryology.
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 23 by jar, posted 09-14-2005 4:22 PM | | jar has responded |
|
|
igor_the_hero
|
|
|
Message 26 of 141 (360645)
09-14-2005 4:34 PM
|
Reply to: Message 25 by jar
09-14-2005 4:29 PM
|
|
Re: Evolution's primary mechanism
You are referring to inheritance. That makes very little sense.
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 25 by jar, posted 09-14-2005 4:29 PM | | jar has responded |
| Replies to this message: | | | Message 27 by jar, posted 09-14-2005 4:37 PM |
|
|
igor_the_hero
|
|
|
Message 28 of 141 (360647)
09-14-2005 4:41 PM
|
Reply to: Message 27 by jar
09-14-2005 4:37 PM
|
|
Re: Evolution's primary mechanism
I they happen all the time they would still happen today. Seeing as how scientists have said evolution can not be observed, I fail t see how that is possible.
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 27 by jar, posted 09-14-2005 4:37 PM | | jar has responded |
| Replies to this message: | | | Message 29 by jar, posted 09-14-2005 4:46 PM |
|
|
igor_the_hero
|
|
|
Message 31 of 141 (360650)
09-14-2005 5:18 PM
|
Reply to: Message 30 by Gary
09-14-2005 5:14 PM
|
|
Re: Evolution's primary mechanism
But then there would be only one species per enviorment.
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 30 by Gary, posted 09-14-2005 5:14 PM | | Gary has not yet responded |
|
|
igor_the_hero
|
Re: Evolution's primary mechanism
I believe that you have that backwards. Evolution does not make sense unless every part of known laws in the world agree with it.
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 32 by Chiroptera, posted 09-14-2005 5:23 PM | | Chiroptera has responded |
|
|
igor_the_hero
|
|
|
Message 37 of 141 (360656)
09-14-2005 5:42 PM
|
Reply to: Message 36 by Gary
09-14-2005 5:39 PM
|
|
Re: Evolution's primary mechanism
Which will in turn happen. Eventually the sun will die and we will be in cold darkness.
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 36 by Gary, posted 09-14-2005 5:39 PM | | Gary has responded |
| Replies to this message: | | | Message 38 by Gary, posted 09-14-2005 5:45 PM |
|
™ Version 3.0 Beta
