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jar
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Message 196 of 303 (104444)
04-30-2004 10:17 PM
Reply to: Message 195 by johnfolton
04-30-2004 10:10 PM


One last time and then you are on your own.
NO!
It will not work.
P.S. Ron Wyatt really must of had someone quite knowledgeable to come up with the anchor stones on the bow (quite interesting),
NO!
Only an idiot that has NO knowledge of what makes a boat float could come up with such a dumb idea.
Edited to correct spelling errors.
[This message has been edited by jar, 04-30-2004]

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Message 197 of 303 (104445)
04-30-2004 10:22 PM
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04-30-2004 9:55 PM


Rocket, With the sea anchors anchored below the waves, in the water below the waves flowing above, the waves would continually be pressing against the sea anchors, keeping the sea anchors ahead of the bow, no different that towing a vessel, but the waves flowing above would be pressing the ark with the waves, but the anchors would be keeping the ropes taunt, while not actually towing the ark, its preventing it from being hit by a wave from the side, and acting as a sea brake, etc...
P.S. I don't doubt smaller boats hook a sea drouge with a long rope, by its tail would brake the boat too, just don't think necessarily this was how the ark operated, etc...

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Message 198 of 303 (104449)
04-30-2004 10:36 PM
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04-30-2004 10:17 PM


jar, It appears it makes more sense based off fluid dynamics for the head not the tail to be facing into the current, if I had a powered ocean boat, I'd sure rather keep the bow into the current, etc...
P.S. Ron believed the ark had a hull pool, lots of interesting theories, etc...Its interesting though the sea anchor stones found in the near vicinity of the Ark's fossil imprint in the sand, etc...

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jar
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Message 199 of 303 (104450)
04-30-2004 10:39 PM
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04-30-2004 10:36 PM


That's it guy. You're on your own.

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SRO2 
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Message 200 of 303 (104455)
04-30-2004 11:12 PM
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04-30-2004 10:22 PM


You're completely ignoring currents. Currents aren't affected by surface wind (and the resultant waves)...current can flow HARD against the wind and waves (they can actually be many, many times stronger), a sea anchor won't work with a current flowing opposite the wind...a strong current will pull the anchor(s) in front of you if you don't have sail (or some type of power) and drag you (or could at least likely reach force equalibrium and turn you broadside).

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Message 201 of 303 (104458)
04-30-2004 11:36 PM
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04-30-2004 11:12 PM


It appears Ron Wyatt lowered hull pool (moon pool) solves all the waste disposal problems, leakage problems within the ark. Interestingly is the very scientific reasoning being used by the Japanese to generate electricity in their wave powered buoy's. They compressed the air within a partially submerged buoy with a turbine spinning in the vent, the wave continually compresses the air in the buoy, so this makes my hinged intake exhaust vents a go, though it probably only needed a way to draw air in and out, to lower the moon pool, interestingly its a scientific fact, etc...
P.S. If your able to access this link check out 3.1, amazingly science is actually using Ron Wyatts lowered moon pool to generate electricity off the wave energies compressing the air within an enclosed submerged buoy's, etc...
[PDF] Feasibility of Developing Wave Power as a Renewable Energy ...File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML
... Apart from wave-powered navigation buoys, however, most of the prototypes have been placed at or near the shore [3]. Land-based systems include the tapered ...
Department of Business, Economic Development & Tourism

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Message 202 of 303 (104461)
04-30-2004 11:44 PM
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04-30-2004 11:36 PM


Whatever
You guys are trying to apply "TODAYS" technology to thousands of years ago...it just doesn't "wash" (good one), they didn't have our thechnology thousands of years ago...well except for maytag washers...they had them, but there was only single pronged outlets and receptacles, both male (it was some confusing times).

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Message 203 of 303 (104462)
04-30-2004 11:48 PM
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04-30-2004 11:12 PM


Rocket, I agree whatever direction the wave currents were flowing, would of provided the tension on the sea anchors below the wave base, the ark wasn't a sail boat (not much exposed for the wind to blow), and appears it might of had a lowered moon pool so any water leaking into the vents on top of the ark, as it crashed into the waves wouldn't of been a problem as it would only flow to the lowered moon pool, the winds wouldn't turn the ark, cause it was being held fast by the anchor stones, and was likely riding too low in the water (part submarine), etc...

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Message 204 of 303 (104465)
05-01-2004 12:02 AM
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04-30-2004 11:48 PM


I know what you mean, I've seen renderings of the ark that was just a flat surface slightly above the water level, but your scenario only makes it more difficult for an engineer to conceive...we can't build a ship like that today...it won't work, we don't have the technology to do it..it's the same reasons (to numerous to list, but if you wish, I will) the empire state building couldn't be made of pine. Wood doesn't do well under extreme loads, neither in tension nor compression. Thats why heavy construction isn't done with wood, they don't make things like queen Mary's, barges, aircraft carriers and subs out of wood, it's just not a good load bearing material.

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Message 205 of 303 (104472)
05-01-2004 12:40 AM
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05-01-2004 12:02 AM


Rocket, God told Noah to build rooms within the ark, he had iron and brass to strengthen stresses, the length should of been supported by the waters if it was a low rider, etc...
P.S. Sailboats are now turning to water ballast, kinda like submarines, would simple water ballast on the lower level, compartmentalized to reduce sloshing, strengthen the hull, and valves to drain excess ballast to the lowered moon pool, for ride, etc...

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Message 206 of 303 (104482)
05-01-2004 2:10 AM


The japanese buoy (interestingly with a hole in its bottom and its vent, it does not sink), just because it compresses and decompresses, doesn't mean its only compressing, even so, it does however make the hinged air intake idea quite functional, with sucking excess air in but a restricted outlet vent (wave power), etc... I mean Ron Wyatt appears right about them sea anchors, no reason he didn't hit the nail on the head in respect to them lowered moon pools, etc...
P.S. I'm satisfied, (even if your all not) that them sea anchors are actually evidence in support of Noah's ark, the biblical deluge, its really quite the video, etc...Ron Wyatt couldn't of planted them sea anchors, kinda interesting that Noah made his sea anchors out of stone, kinda makes one wonder if Seths geneologies built the Giza pyramid, pre-flood, like the Spinx, sure looks like it went through the biblical deluge, and if the Giza pyramid was built on a granite foundation, it would of survived the flood, like it's believed it has slip foundations built into its base (so it can survive earthquakes), though its believed to of been built by the Eygptians by the Eygptians, though wonder if they just copied it, the Sphinx's sure looks like it was eroded by the biblical deluge, etc...Like Jesus is the cornerstone, just thought it all interesting, cause it just might of been where the ark started its journey, etc...
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Message 207 of 303 (104486)
05-01-2004 2:44 AM
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04-30-2004 9:10 PM


Re: sea anchor, sea anchor run
You obviously have no clue about:
  • how waves behave
  • the ability of water to mix
  • the effect of a world wide ocean on wave, wind and current patterns
  • the behavior of rocks on the ends of rope on a boat that is pitching and yawing in the waves
  • the lines of force needed to operate as a brake
  • the orientation of the surface of a sea anchor to best effect a braking force
  • global warming
  • tsunami
  • plate tectonics
  • etcetera
Repeating your arguments of admited ignorance is not making any progress. You could spend your time more effectively learning.
Whether or not you "care about" the orientation of the parachute sea anchor is irrelevant to the reality of the operation of the sea anchor, it is the result of testing many different methods, and is the best method available.

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Message 208 of 303 (104520)
05-01-2004 10:36 AM
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04-30-2004 10:10 PM


They don't hang ballast outside of boats for the same reason they don't hang the luggage outside airplanes to maintain CG...it creates uncontrollable drag.

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Message 209 of 303 (104522)
05-01-2004 10:48 AM
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05-01-2004 2:44 AM


Re: sea anchor, sea anchor run
Raz, It does appear Noah copied the fishes of the sea, in respect to the orintation of his sea anchors, so the bow would always point into the waves, just like the mighty trout always facing into the current, etc...
P.S. If I had a sail boat without power with a lot of upper levels exposed to the wind, I too would throw out your parachute anchors and turn tail and run, its an entirely different situation, where putting drouge sea anchors to the bow would only put you at the mercy of the winds, etc...
Rocket, In respect to the ark, drag would of been a good thing, it wasn't built for speed, but agree the anchor stones purpose wasn't to be the arks ballast, etc...
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Message 210 of 303 (104546)
05-01-2004 12:25 PM
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05-01-2004 10:48 AM


Re: sea anchor, sea anchor run
You have contradicted yourself twice in that post with your faulty logic and ignorance of what works and what doesn't. First you say it is better bow to the wind then you turn tail and run and then you say that drag is good. The best drag system is the drogue 'chute. The anchors are not only bad for drag they are bad for weight placement and bad for structural design.
They are also a totally unnecessary embellishment, being thought up to explain (post hoc ergo proctor hoc) the existence of a bunch of stone relics.

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