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tesla
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Message 1 of 8 (559578)
05-10-2010 12:18 PM


I wish for an open debate concerning one question about a vacuum.
And the question is: Can a vacuum exist without edges?

keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

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Hi Tesla! Does this have something to do with the creation/evolution debate?

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Message 3 of 8 (560058)
05-12-2010 11:08 PM
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Motive
Yes.
1: creation vrs evolution is not an accurate description of what these debates are about. I prefer to consider the debates here as God IS or God is not, by scientific evalutation.
Since Science does not have all the answers. I look to debate the unanswered questions that may lead to a better understanding of the question "IS God or is God NOT?"
I do not look to personally solve any scientific problem. However, asking the right questions may inspire an individual in the proper field to do exactly that.
In this instance, nothing i have read of the BBT's seems to address the vacuum issue. in fact, vacuum is relativly unexplored, where pressure has been exploited for many technological advancements.
The case in point in this observation is more geared toward explaining the unseen edges of the known universe, or the dynamics of the known universe by the way that black holes and other matter may be stretching the area between the masses to create a continual vacuum. If this vacuum is consistent between all area's (for instance: Between two great masses, and in the space between galaxies), What is to be said of it? Can the area of space be proven Finite? By having an edge, and therefore finite, the expansion suggests "apparently infinite" at the same time. This kind of knoledge may introduce corrections in math or in therom of the BBT.
Anyways, thats my motivation with this question. If an answer is agreed to by your members, Then it could open the door to many new questions. and answering a new question is a joy to a scientist.
Edited by tesla, : Chose a different word.

keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

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Message 4 of 8 (560086)
05-13-2010 4:45 AM
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Re: Motive
Hi Tesla!
Since you mention the Big Bang I'm considering this a cosmological question. I think many would disagree that "vacuum is relatively unexplored," and with the implication that that there's a uniform vacuum (or even a perfect vacuum at all) when you say, "if this vacuum is consistent between all area's." The density of matter in deep space is neither constant nor zero. I have a feeling that your question may be based upon false assumptions. Can you clarify a little more?
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05-13-2010 6:28 PM
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Re: Motive
quote:
Since you mention the Big Bang I'm considering this a cosmological question. I think many would disagree that "vacuum is relatively unexplored
That doesnt mean their correct. However, thats what debates are for. But yes, its a cosmological question.
quote:
and with the implication that that there's a uniform vacuum (or even a perfect vacuum at all)
I don't know if the vacuum is or is not uniform. i'm not assuming anything. i'm asking a question that has not been answered.
" Can a vacuum exist without edges?"

keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
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05-14-2010 6:36 AM
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Re: Motive
tesla writes:
I don't know if the vacuum is or is not uniform. i'm not assuming anything. i'm asking a question that has not been answered.
If you know what you're talking about and have a position you want to debate then that's one thing.
And if you don't know what you're talking about and have questions then that's another thing.
But the way I see it is that you don't know what you're talking about, but you have a position you want to debate anyway, so I'm not inclined toward promoting this thread. Sorry.

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Message 7 of 8 (560412)
05-15-2010 2:14 AM
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Re: Motive
quote:
But the way I see it is that you don't know what you're talking about, but you have a position you want to debate anyway,
You have created and have been hosting a site that debates whether or not the entire universe came into being by random, or, either always was and just evolved for no specific purpose, OR was a purposely created thing in which we have been allowed to participate in for some unknown purpose.
Now tell me: Who here knows what there talking about?
consider this: there is a debate on whether the universe is infinite, or is finite. IF the answer to the question : "Can a vacuum exist without edges" is : no.
Then the universe as we know it is definitely Finite, albeit: Inside an apparently infinite area because of expansion.
Now, for a scientist, that's worth a debate.
What is your true goal here? Is this just a place where you can swap anti God stuff with your anti God friends and make fun of any religious views and feel smart for it? Or did you make this site to administer equal debate of the issue regardless of belief?
Way i see it, its your site. you'll do what you want. I came to learn. But i can't debate for the truth here if you have no real desire to know.
I'm starting college in august. I'm sure I'll have plenty of opportunities to ask these same questions, and maybe actually meet someone who is willing to examine and re-examine the current evidence science has for the truth of its significance.

keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

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Message 8 of 8 (560436)
05-15-2010 8:15 AM
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Re: Motive
Sorry, Tesla, no sympathy here. Read my reply again. I don't care what your position is. Why would I? Think about it. In order for there to be a debate there have to be two sides. I *want* an active site. I *want* controversy. But I also want informed discussion and constructive debate, not nonsense. If you gather some more background material on the subject you may find that whether you end up asking a question or stating a position it will make a lot more sense.
Maybe one of the other moderators will see it differently, or maybe someone will post comments in the Topic Proposal Issues thread that help me see things differently, so I'll leave this open for now.

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