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xongsmith Member Posts: 2574 From: massachusetts US Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
Coyote, thank you for trying to provide some balance. Are you arguing that Judson Phillips and Mark Williams were using the technique of hyperbole to the same kind of level that Rep. Hank Johnson did?
- xongsmith, 5.7d
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Taz Member (Idle past 3281 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Coyote writes:
What on earth are you talking about? I poke fun of people on the left all the time. But I do it in good conscience. I don't resort to outright misrepresentation. Taz, because of you I'm abandoning this thread.From your posts it looks like we will only be allowed to poke fun at the silly sayings of those on the right. I would have been all "hardy har har" had you simply been poking fun at that quote. Why? Because it is pretty funny. But you went beyond that. You literally suggested that the guy was a dumbass in believing an island could literally be tipped over. That said, I need to leave now to send out some last minute holiday stuff. Hopefully, fedex is still open.
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Panda Member (Idle past 3703 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
Taz writes:
I do not see the quote-mine. It's not about quote mining people in order to make them look stupid. He spent ages identifying that the island was narrow and then said "My fear is that the whole island ... will tip over and capsize".He then said "And also things like the environment..." Clearly he was talking about two different things: Capsizing and then environmental damage. This also undermines his later defence: "I was using a metaphor to say it ... could be a tipping point which would adversely affect the island’s fragile ecosystem". Just listen to his discussion of the island's dimensions...You can clearly hear that something is not right with him. Edited by Panda, : formatting Edited by Panda, : extended 1st quote
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ringo Member (Idle past 402 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Panda writes:
Just slap some outriggers on it. It'll be fine. He spent ages identifying that the island was narrow and then said "it will tip over and capsize". "I'm Rory Bellows, I tell you! And I got a lot of corroborating evidence... over here... by the throttle!"
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Panda Member (Idle past 3703 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
Ringo writes:
Aaah...but how long should they be? Just slap some outriggers on it. Guam is:
"at its widest level is 12 miles from shore to shore" and "at its smallest level - smallest location - it's 7 miles between one shore and the other." and "about 24 miles long" TBH: I think it will be ok.The island shouldn't capsize. To quote the Admiral:*stunned pause* "We don't anticipate that." Edited by Panda, : No reason given.
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Taz Member (Idle past 3281 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Panda writes:
Yup, which was his entire point. The island is narrow and quite small relative to how many people they wanted to put on the island. The tipping over and capsizing was a poor attempt at humorously trying to make the point that the island was too small to place that many people there, from his point of view.
He spent ages identifying that the island was narrow and then said "it will tip over and capsize". This also undermines his later defence: "I was using a metaphor to say it ... could be a tipping point which would adversely affect the island’s fragile ecosystem".
How so? His point was that what the navy's proposing might be too many people for that island.
Just listen to his discussion of the island's dimensions...
I belong to the old school of thought, which gives people the benefit of the doubt. When someone says something and all you have to interpret his point is that single statement, and there are 2 possible interpretations, it is always the wise thing to go with the interpretation that makes more sense.You can clearly hear that something is not right with him. For example. Suppose I want you to get something for me from the basement. You go down to the basement and you yell up to me asking "where is it?" How would you feel if I respond with "it's in the basement, dumbass". Get it? When you asked "where is it?" there are two different ways I can interpret the question. I can interpret you to mean where is it in the house (as in which section of the house it's in) or where is it specifically in the basement? Clearly, if I respond with "it's in the basement" then I'm going with the first interpretation, which assumes you to be a dumbass, since I was the one that sent you down there. Watching that video again, I still don't see how you could insist that the guy was idiotic enough to even believe an island could be capsized. It looked more to me like he was trying to make the point that placing that many people on there could overwhelm the island. Whether this is a valid point or not I don't know. But the capsizing thing very likely was just his way of trying to make a joke out of a serious point. Last thanksgiving, Obama specifically said "I wanted to eat this sucker..." Does this mean that he literally thought the turkey was a sucker? If so, what kind of sucker was the turkey? On this forum, I often refer to Percy as god and the members as the "inhabitants" of evc. OMG, does this mean that I literally believe Percy is the almighty and the rest of us literally live in cyberspace?
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Taz Member (Idle past 3281 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Panda writes:
Have you never seen someone trying to make a bad joke and other people gasp in disbelief because they didn't get the joke? This time last year, we had a get together with some of our friends. Somehow, the topic of stereotype came up. The asian in the group said he knew 4 forms of martial arts. I said I couldn't jump. The overweight girl said "you guys want some food? I got some here". At the time, we all literally thought she had some food not because we believed that but because it just never occurred to us of the stereotype that fat people always have food with them. Someone else awkwardly asked "really?" To quote the Admiral:*stunned pause* "We don't anticipate that." Still seems to me like he was trying to make the point that the island was too narrow and too small for that many people. And he thought he'd make the joke that it could capsize. Either that or he really is a dumbass, something which you are too ready to accept I guess.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1395 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Everyone,
I agree that he made a boner statement, and it was clear to me listening to the tape (are we gonna have another tapegate?) that he said it and then seguayed to the population density issue. The only thing I also notice is that the source coyote quoted also said
quote: As someone who has experience "chemo-brain" - the adverse effect on mental activity due to the chemical medications taken (made me more like common folk? ) - I can sympathize with someone saying something that did not come out entirely as conceived, however in that case one should not be driving the bus. Enjoy. What is Chemo Brain? | American Cancer Society Chemo brain - Symptoms and causes - Mayo Clinic
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Panda Member (Idle past 3703 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
Taz writes:
Your response is only relevant if you pull my sentence out of context.
Panda writes:
Yup, which was his entire point. The island is narrow and quite small relative to how many people they wanted to put on the island. He spent ages identifying that the island was narrow and then said "it will tip over and capsize". quote: Taz writes:
The answer to this question is available in the above full quote. Panda writes:
How so? His point was that what the navy's proposing might be too many people for that island. This also undermines his later defence: "I was using a metaphor to say it ... could be a tipping point which would adversely affect the island’s fragile ecosystem". You will find that what I say makes more sense when individual sentences are not omitted or pulled out of context.
Taz writes:
By poor attempt, do you mean that no-one there thought it was a joke - and he didn't deliver it like it was a joke - and no-one laughed. The tipping over and capsizing was a poor attempt at humorously trying to make the point that the island was too small to place that many people there, from his point of view. If it doesn't walk like a duck and it doesn't quack like a duck - I belong to the old school of thought, which gives people the benefit of the doubt so I say that it isn't a duck. Taz writes:
None of that relates to what he says. Panda writes:
I belong to the old...[snip]... literally live in cyberspace? Just listen to his discussion of the island's dimensions...You can clearly hear that something is not right with him. Just listen to his discussion of the island's dimensions... Taz writes:
TBH: I have seen more people say something dumb and then claim it was just a joke.
Have you never seen someone trying to make a bad joke and other people gasp in disbelief because they didn't get the joke? Taz writes:
I am just describing what I see. Either that or he really is a dumbass, something which you are too ready to accept I guess. You can think him intelligent if you want, something which you are too ready to accept I guess.
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3973 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 6.9
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RAZD writes: As someone who has experience "chemo-brain" - the adverse effect on mental activity due to the chemical medications taken (made me more like common folk? ) - I can sympathize with someone saying something that did not come out entirely as conceived, however in that case one should not be driving the bus. Hi, RAZD. I'm all too familiar with chemical brain, though not chemo brain. An auto accident eight years ago left me with cervical spine and leg damage, treated with bone grafts and titanium braces in my spine, treatment with steroids, potent anti-inflammatories, etc. Complications due to these drugs in turn led to GI issues requiring further surgery (and additional complications) and drug therapy: Six trips to the OR in the past two years, and a (hopefully) last major operation in a few months to remove a considerable amount of damaged intestine. After startling moments of emotional lability and disinhibition (there are subjects I cannot discuss without sobbing--the subjects appear to be random, including, of all things, sidewalk chalk), I was diagnosed with traumatic brain injury. At times I am taking as many as a dozen different drugs--opiates, anti-seizure meds, combination antibiotics, steroids, anti-virals, and so on. Sometimes I have difficulty remembering which drug side-effect another drug is supposed to remedy, and it feels like I am nestled like a Russian doll in outer shells of drugs, like capsules inside capsules. Presently I am recovering from a major shingles eruption (I bet you are familiar with that), but feel more myself, now that I am down to a half dozen drugs and tapering off opiates, neurontin and prednisone. I'm sure other members here have noted the emotionally labile behavior (though they couldn't hear me sobbing) as well as the disinhibition and clouded thinking. The impulse to explain to others that what they see at those times are injury, illness and drug effects--not the native me--is strong...as you can see. Sorry, all, if that is TMI. I've become socially infamous locally for saying what pops into my mind at the most inauspicious moments. All of this is my way of saying I understand, if not the experience of your cancer, at least your struggle to regain the dream of health and the need to measure the cost of regaining it. Your frankness and determination have encouraged me these past few years. Thank you.
{Ding-dong meant to post the above as a reply to this message at another topic. - Adminnemooseus} Edited by Omnivorous, : No reason given. Edited by Omnivorous, : No reason given. Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Off-topic banner etc. I know there's a balance, I see it when I swing past. -J. Mellencamp Real things always push back.-William James
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Taz Member (Idle past 3281 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Panda writes:
Where the hell did you get this idea? I don't know the guy. Can't say I knew his existence before today. I'm just not willing to accept that there is someone as dumb and clueless as you make him out to be. You can think him intelligent if you want, something which you are too ready to accept I guess. Added by edit. To be fair, a while back someone told me that Kent Hovind literally believes that the way human dna combines to create a new life is the dna "ladder" would disconnect right down the middle of the ladder and the separated strands from mom and dad would connect with each other to make a new dna "ladder". This is, of course, nonsense. And for the longest time, I refused to believe that Kent Hovind believes this. Wasn't until I saw Hovind's whole lecture video did I realize Hovind really believes this. I still have the video somewhere. Actually, this gives me an idea. I'm going to start putting Hovind's videos on youtube. Edited by Taz, : No reason given.
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anglagard Member (Idle past 827 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined: |
Taz writes: I'm going to start putting Hovind's videos on youtube. You sure they are not there already? My workplace naturally has the capability of duplicating pretty much any media to any form. Around once a year, I get someone who wants us to duplicate Hovind or Comfort or some other bigoted idiot. All I have to say is the magic word 'copyright' and the perp is dumbfounded. And then all I have to say is it is illegal to use state resources to promote a specific interpretation of a specific religious persuasion and even the perps seem to understand that Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, Catholics, Muslims, and indeed even Jews may have some pretty sharp lawyers. Knowing the law is part of what it takes to survive in a management position. The idea of the sacred is quite simply one of the most conservative notions in any culture, because it seeks to turn other ideas - uncertainty, progress, change - into crimes. Salman Rushdie This rudderless world is not shaped by vague metaphysical forces. It is not God who kills the children. Not fate that butchers them or destiny that feeds them to the dogs. It’s us. Only us. - the character Rorschach in Watchmen
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 274 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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My workplace naturally has the capability of duplicating pretty much any media to any form. Around once a year, I get someone who wants us to duplicate Hovind or Comfort or some other bigoted idiot. All I have to say is the magic word 'copyright' and the perp is dumbfounded. I seem to remember that Hovind has waived copyright where his works are used for educational purposes without charge. I'm way too lazy to look this up.
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Taz Member (Idle past 3281 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
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After reading up on it, apparently, the law permits kent hovind to retract his statement about the noncopyrighted nature of his videos. And he's done just that. And jar, I couldn't find Hovind's explanation of the dna combination between mom and dad anywhere on youtube. I've seen the video, so I know it exists. Edited by Taz, : No reason given.
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Taz Member (Idle past 3281 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Speaking of stupidity, here is an honest stupid person who answered his own questions.
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