Message 369 of 603 (132322)
08-10-2004 10:06 AM
Reply to: Message 357 by Trae
08-10-2004 1:56 AM
Re: Moller's video...
Originally posted by Trae
. . . the photos do not clearly show that (Jabal al Lawz) has been changed (recently "burnt"). It just at clearly may have always been that color. (parentheticals added)
I agree, Trae. This claim seems to be refuted by every geological survey of the area.
". . . Geologists, who are familiar with the geology of the area, in which Cornuke and Halbrook (2000) claimed to have found Mt. Sinai, would certainly not regard their ideas about Jabal al Lawz being Mt. Sinai a "remarkable geological find." Rather, they would regard their interpretation that the top of Jabal al Lawz had been both melted and charred by any event during the last few thousand years to be a remarkable geological blunder on the part of Cornuke and Halbrook
Any geologist looking at the pictures of Jabal al Lawz readily recognizes that the dark-colored rocks shown in the pictures of Jabal al Lawz shown at Bob Cornuke's web page are quite clearly roof pendants of darker-colored rocks intruded by younger, light-colored rocks. In fact if a person examines the published geological maps of the Jabal al Lawz, i.e. Bramkamp et al. (1963) and Trent and Johnson (1967), they would find that these geological maps confirm this interpretation. These maps show the bulk of Jabal al Lawz to be composed of light-colored granite and red or salmon granite. The dark-colored rocks comprising the summits are small areas mapped as (older) greenstone. These greenstone outcrops are roof pedants of older rocks that have been intruded by the red or salmon granite. North of this mountain are additional outcrops of older gabbro into which the granites have intruded."
"The descriptions of the units from youngest to oldest in the stratigraphic column within the in the Jabal al Lawz area as given by Bramkamp et al. (1963) are:
"gm = Granite. Massive, light-colored calc- alkaline granite, mostly without large dikes, in large discordant stocks and batholiths on the flanks of Jabal al Lawz, Jabal Rawa, and Jabal ash Shati.
gr = Granite. red or salmon, coarse-grained, commonly highly altered espcially in the mountains on the eastern shore of the Gulf of Aqaba; widely scattered throught the Underlying granite and granodiorite and cut by many dikes of basalt, rhyolite, and diabase. (This unit intrudes an older granite and granodiorite, unit gg in places).
gb = Gabbro. In stocks and sills associated with the greenstone. Some basic intrusives may be younger than the granite and granodiorite unit, gg.
gd = Greenstone. Diabase, andesite, and basalt; mostly flows, somewhat metamorphosed to greenschist facies, locally to amphibolite."
The greenstone (gd) overlies older folded calcareous and siliceous schist and slate Silasia formation elsewhere in the area. Bramkamp et al. (1963) regards these rock units to be Pre-Cambrian age. It is intruded by the red or salmon (gr) and preserved as roof pendants as observed by both Bramkamp et al. (1963) and Trent and Johnson (1967)."
Thus, the darker colored rock at the top of Jabal al Lawz are classic roof pendants. This same geological formation is demonstrated in the picture reproduced in my post # 254. Incidentally Trae, this mountain is not too far away from you.
It is just north of Interstate Highway 40 at a point just west of South Pass and Needles, California and due south of the community of Goff, California. It demonstrates the same roof pendant formation as does Jabal al Lawz. In fact, the geological formation is so similar that most simply assumed that it was Jabal al Lawz in a lighter exposure.
"(Thus), essentially, direct observations by both "secular" and religious geologists of the Jabal al Lawz region readily refute the argument by Cornuke and Halbrook (2000) that the top of Jabal al Lawz has been either charred or recently melted. If the rocks on the summit of Jabal al Lawz look "melted" it is because they consist of metamorphosed lava and other extrusive igneous rocks called "greenstone", formed from the cooling of once molten rocks billions of years before the Israelites even existed. This "remarkable find" is actually a remarkable blunder on the part of people, who obviously didn't understand anything about the geology of the area that they were studying."
This allegedly "burned" mountain-top, the date and origin of the glyphs, and most of the other "proofs" of the exodus origin of these artifacts has been called into question repeatedly. Yet, the argument still seems to go essentially like this:
"We can't actually demonstrate that the Nuweiba site is the exodus crossing, but when taken in conjunction with the Jabal al Lawz site, the combined evidence is overwhelming . . .
. . . well, no, we can't actually demonstrate that Jabal al Lawz is Mt. Sinai, but when taken in conjunction with the Nuweiba site the evidence is overwhelming . . .
. . . well, no, we can't actually demonstrate that the Nuweiba site is the exodus crossing, but . . . ad infinitum, ad nauseum.
At a personal level, I would have no problem with Jabal al Lawz being Mt. Sinai or with Nuweiba being the exodus crossing. But it has certainly not been demonstrated that they are.
References: quoted, excerpted & cited:
Paul Heinrich Author of: The South African Spheres
Bramkamp, R. A., Brown, G. F., Holm, D. A., and Layne, N. M., Jr., 1963, Geologic Map of the Wadi As Sirhan Quadrangle Kingdom of Suadi Arabia. U.S. Geological Survey Miscellaneous Geologic Investigations Map I-200A. U.S. Geological Survey, Reston, Virginia. Scale: 1:250,000.
Cornuke, B., and Halbrook, D., 2000, In Search of The Mountain of God. Broadman & Holman Publishers, Nashville, Tennessee.
Shelton, John S., 1966, Geology Illustrated. Freeman Press. San Francisco, California.
Trent, Virgil A., and Johnson, Robert F., 1967, Geologic map of the Jabal al Lawz Quadrangle, Kingdom of Saudi Arabia; U.S. Geol. Survey, Mineral Investigation Map MI-13, 1:100,000.
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