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Lysimachus
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Message 1 of 8 (278259)
01-11-2006 5:53 PM


I just received this newsletter today from Jonathan Gray. It's quite interesting to say the least.

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This may truly rock you, Marcos - if only because of its sheer size. But don't dismiss this discovery out of hand. A number of otherslike it are turning up - in other places.

A GENUINE DISCOVERY

On May 13, 2004, a newspaper in Bangladesh reported that the skeletal remains of a giant human were found by ARAMCO petroleum explorers in Saudi Arabia.

ATTEMPT TO DISCREDIT

It at first appeared that the story might be a hoax, as the picture being circulated with it turned out to have been doctored by a notorious Internet prank organization.

However, Dr Richard Paley of Fellowship University in the USA continued to investigate this issue.

He called on contacts in the Middle East to see if they knew anything about the story that the doctored photo was attached to. The story had said only that the bones were found "recently".

In July of that year, his investigation turned up evidence that an ARAMCO geological team had indeed uncovered something in southeast Saudi Arabia in the summer of 2000.

This had resulted in a contingent of the Saudi police (not the military as previously reported) taking over the site.

Said Paley, "A teacher in Saudi Arabia has told me that it is well known among foreign oil workers whom he is in contact with, that some sort of human remains were discovered in the desert."

"The workers' wild speculation on what these remains were, ranged from angel fossils to the bones of Mohammed. But the most common claim was that they were giant human bones.

Saudi religious officials were understood to be concerned that the discovery could somehow contradict part of the Koran, thereby helping to propagate Christianity. So they sent in the Mutawwa'in, their religious police, to silence the matter.

The geological branch of the oil industry were also involved. And somehow they were able to manipulate the Saudis into covering up the findings.

WHY A COVER UP?

You might wonder - so why would the geological branch promote a cover up?

The answer is quite simple. It is riddled with dedicated evolutionists whose theory is threatened by such discoveries. Therefore they keep careful watch over who has access to such information.

INVESTIGATION PAYS OFF

As Dr Paley was preparing to write an update on these developments, it occurred to him that there might actually be photos. He concluded that even those who wished to bury it would surely have documented a
finding such as this.

He reported, "I decided to contact the teacher and see if he heard of anything about photos being taken at the fossil site prior to the arrival of the police.

"He said that he had heard there were photos taken, but that the police had confiscated them all, however he would ask around and see if anyone knew any more.

"Then, just this morning, I received an e-mail from a person in the Saudi oil industry who, understandably, wishes to remain nameless.

"He told me that he was working as a technician (not a geologist) with the team that found the skeleton and corroborated much of the rumors about the incident.

"The skeleton was indeed of a giant human and there was a police cover up.

ORIGINAL GENUINE PHOTO

"He then related that, knowing the importance of what he was witnessing, he managed to surreptitiously copy one of the photos taken at the excavation site from a digicam to his laptop just before the police came and took all the cameras.

"He is fearful of the Mutawwa'in, but wants the world to see the truth of what was found in the desert, and so he attached the photo from that fateful day.

"As you can see, the skeleton in this photo is of a more reasonable size -- I estimate he or she between 15 and 20 feet tall -- and in line with what we would expect from other research.

"The weathering on it is consistent with the technician's description that the skull was originally found partially uncovered by the winds.

"And the look of horror on its face is consistent with the realization of sudden burial by some major disaster.

"(I do not know who the person doing the excavating is, but I suspect he works for ARAMCO. However, it is probably best not to dig into his identity since it may put him or his family in jeopardy.)

HISTORY OF HOAXES

"I now believe that the doctored photo was purposely attached to the story and spread through e-mail by those who wanted to discredit this genuine find when the photo was eventually revealed to be a hoax.

"(Hoaxes like this involving pastiches have been a common M.O. for a number of evolutionary claimants - e.g. Piltdown Man, Onyate Man, Nebraska Man, archaeoraptor and "Lucy", to name just a few.)

DESPITE EFFORTS TO DISCREDIT, THE TRUTH EMERGES

"Perhaps they knew that eventually this discovery would get out and they wished to poison the well with doubt about the story's authenticity.

"But thanks to brave men working under the threat of a Wahabi-Darwinist axis of lies, the truth has finally come out."

Marcos, if you want to keep yourself up-to-date on such giant finds, I have collected scores of them from all corners of the planet and
wrapped them all up together in one amazing report, "The Lost World of Giants".

If you'd like to claim this astonishing report on giant remains, just log in now tohttp://www.beforeus.com/giants.php

I have also asked my technician to place on thesame site ( http://www.beforeus.com/giants.php)the original,smuggled out photo taken in Saudi Arabia.

He is extremely busy, but assures me it will be placed on the site - up and visible for you to see - within a few more days.

Yes, you are in for a mind-blowing experience.

Best wishes
Jonathan Gray
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Message 2 of 8 (278265)
01-11-2006 6:02 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Lysimachus
01-11-2006 5:53 PM


Rejected. OLD Urban Legend.
I'm amazed this old chestnut is still floating around. It's been shown to be a hoax since June of 2004 at least.

Snopes report on this one


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    Message 3 of 8 (278460)
    01-12-2006 1:33 PM
    Reply to: Message 1 by Lysimachus
    01-11-2006 5:53 PM


    Okay, position reconsidered.
    Based on overwhelming public requests that this be promoted, I will let you decide if you want this promoted.

    HOWEVER:

    I still feel that part of our duties as Admins is to shelter and protect the more gullible members at EvC. This is a hoax and is actually from a parody site. If you still want this promoted, just respond and I'll send it on. If you wish it to remain closed, that too can be done. Just respond letting me know what you want us to do.


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    Message 4 of 8 (278612)
    01-13-2006 8:23 AM
    Reply to: Message 1 by Lysimachus
    01-11-2006 5:53 PM


    Say What?
    Give us an answer within the next two weeks. I agree with Jar on this one--if we do not hear from you by January 31,2006, we will close this topic. Otherwise, let us know---with the hoax disclaimer, BTW.
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    Message 5 of 8 (278889)
    01-14-2006 8:59 AM
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    01-13-2006 8:23 AM


    Re: Say What?
    This seems reasonable.

    This message has been edited by Admin, 01-14-2006 09:01 AM


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    Message 6 of 8 (278948)
    01-14-2006 1:22 PM
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    01-14-2006 8:59 AM


    Re: Say What?
    Okay, I will be honest with you. I do not feel safe in my mind to promote this as "evidence" or 100% factual, but what I do see is a lack of proof against the second photo.

    To be yet even more honest with you, I'm not 100% certain the presented photo is even the same one Jonathan Gray promises to put up within the next few days. But after looking up the doctor's name, that's the photo I stumbled upon, once again--leading me to believe that this is the one Jonathan Gray might be speaking off. But then the question remains, why does he act like this photo has never been posted on the web and will soon be available for all to see?

    P.S. I wanted to apologize to you AdminJar for overreacting to your decision to close my thread. What caused me to react was the promptness in your decision based on the innitial hoaxy photo. Perhaps it might not be a wise thing to post this thread at this time. I'll wait to see if more info comes along.

    This message has been edited by Lysimachus, 01-14-2006 02:38 PM


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    Message 7 of 8 (278960)
    01-14-2006 2:45 PM
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    01-14-2006 1:22 PM


    Re: Say What?
    I understand your reticence. If you still want to discuss this article/email/picture or discuss Jonathan Gray himself we can promote this to coffee house. I could add in your msg 6 as an edit to the original msg.

    In fact, why don't you rewrite your OP as a new msg/reply to this msg, include the hesitancy expressed in msg 6.

    AbE - sorry Lys, I hadn't seen your edit before I posted. You can disregard this if you want.

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    Message 8 of 8 (280651)
    01-22-2006 8:32 AM
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    01-14-2006 1:22 PM


    Lysimachus proposed new topic
    Lysimachus--did you want to scrap this one and start over? You can always edit your opening post (even the title) and start a new topic entirely! :) Again, should you want to do this, get back to us by January 31, 2006 or let us know otherwise! We enjoy promoting good topics and are in no way trying to discourage you. This allows me to practice my "teaching" skills as I also need to think about how to best express myself!
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