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Percy
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Message 2641 of 2887 (832389)
05-03-2018 9:07 AM
Reply to: Message 2575 by Faith
05-02-2018 3:45 AM


Re: Ancient beaches and seas, no
Faith writes:
If it can be proved from physical evidence then it isn't religion, it doesn't matter that it started from the Bible. Proving it from the physical evidence is what I'm trying to do, and of course I think I'm doing a pretty good job.
If a candidate for office campaigned hard but got zero votes, which is what you've accomplished here, do you think she'd be justified in concluding she had done a pretty good job?
Please do not address posts to me that you mean for somebody else, just as a way to insult me.
Very little would be said about you if you didn't keep making absurd claims about yourself, such as how brilliant you are and what a great job you're doing, and if you didn't keep casting insults at the concepts and evidence presented to you, such as that they're mere illusions or paradigm dependent interpretations or mental cobwebs. Focus on facts and arguments.
I don't know if you succeeded in demonstrating anything about flat planar features to anybody else, but you did manage to mystify and insult me so I guess you can congratulate yourself.
If you don't understand something then ask questions and discuss details. It is because you instead express incredulity and are hostile to information and explanations that Edge said he didn't think you'd understand, and that he thought what your doing is religion, not science.
--Percy

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Faith 
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Message 2642 of 2887 (832390)
05-03-2018 9:12 AM
Reply to: Message 2638 by Percy
05-03-2018 8:49 AM


Re: Ancient beaches and seas, no
None of those pictures helps one bit to convince me such a landscape would ever in a million years become a flat slab of rock of the sort seen in the geologic/stratigraphic column(s). Like your many pictures of "flat" fields. I don't understand how anyone could entertain such an idea.
As for the diagram I did comment on it finally after finally getting that it's the deep areas of "erosion" I was supposed to notice. At first it looked like my own diagram of how strata should look if there ever was erosion on the surface, but more attention to it convinced me that those sunken areas are more likely the effect of the many limestone type rocks and the salt in the layers, both being soluble and affecting layers after they were laid down.
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jar
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Message 2643 of 2887 (832391)
05-03-2018 9:16 AM
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05-03-2018 9:07 AM


Re: Ancient beaches and seas, no
The beach images are also a great example of weathering and erosion creating flat level surfaces.

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Faith 
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Message 2644 of 2887 (832392)
05-03-2018 9:17 AM
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05-03-2018 9:07 AM


Re: Ancient beaches and seas, no
I don't need to convince diehard evolutionists in order to know if I've done a good job or not. As I've many times pointed out, to deaf ears of course, the historical sciences CANNOT BE PROVEN ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. It's all speculation, theory, imagination that becomes accepted but can't be proved. I think I've made a good case.

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Faith 
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Message 2645 of 2887 (832393)
05-03-2018 9:25 AM
Reply to: Message 2635 by Percy
05-03-2018 8:07 AM


Re: trilobite species
I've already shown that chimps and humans do not have the same body plan. Dogs and cats have more similar body plans but it is their body plans that make them dogs or cats nevertheless, flexible versus rigid skeleton for starters. And the body plans of chumps and humans are far more different than those of dogs and cats. Chimp has flattened face, hunched posture, commonly walks on all fours, big chest, heavy musculature, long arms that drag on the ground, short legs, hands for feet, there is no comparison with the human body type.
I'm not sure the coyote and the grey wolf ARE different "species," but that word is awfully plastic. I believe they should be classified as the same Kind.
And as I also pointed out, probably in a post you haven't yet read, the trilobite basic shape is even evident in those two different varieties.
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14174dm
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Message 2646 of 2887 (832398)
05-03-2018 10:40 AM
Reply to: Message 2642 by Faith
05-03-2018 9:12 AM


Re: Ancient beaches and seas, no
One important detail to note is that the layers above the eroded channels in the column are level. If the channels were due to salt or limestone dissolving after the layers were deposited, the layers above would have sagged.
The only way I can think of having channels in the buried layers with level layers above is to erode the channels then add layers above.

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NoNukes
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Message 2647 of 2887 (832399)
05-03-2018 10:42 AM
Reply to: Message 2645 by Faith
05-03-2018 9:25 AM


Re: trilobite species
I've already shown that chimps and humans do not have the same body plan.
No. As a matter of fact, you did not do that.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!
We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith
No it is based on math I studied in sixth grade, just plain old addition, substraction and multiplication. -- ICANT

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jar
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Message 2648 of 2887 (832400)
05-03-2018 10:46 AM
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05-03-2018 10:40 AM


Re: Ancient beaches and seas, no
And that too can be seen in the beach picture; with sand being deposited and covering and filling in the spaces between the ridges.
Edited by jar, : fix tense

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JonF
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Message 2649 of 2887 (832401)
05-03-2018 10:54 AM
Reply to: Message 2640 by Faith
05-03-2018 9:07 AM


Re: modern creationism
Yeah, Ellen, that was autocorrect. She was the founder and leader of a small fringe Christian sect.
But the fact remains that "modern" YEC dates to the mid nineteenth century. And is still running on the knowledge of the eighteenth century and earlier.
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Message 2650 of 2887 (832402)
05-03-2018 11:02 AM
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05-03-2018 10:42 AM


Re: trilobite species
She didn't even try. She will never learn that insulting an idea is not discussing or refuting it.

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ringo
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Message 2651 of 2887 (832403)
05-03-2018 11:36 AM
Reply to: Message 2623 by Faith
05-02-2018 9:12 PM


Re: no supergenome
Faith writes:
I now explain the great genetic diversity before the Flood and therefore in the saved creatures on the ark, as due to the much less junk DNA, probably almost none, and therefore a lot more functioning genes.
That's pretty much the same thing. Both ideas rely on something changing magically after the flood.
But the question remains: Why didn't the trilobites survive the Flood?

An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo

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ringo
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Message 2652 of 2887 (832404)
05-03-2018 11:43 AM
Reply to: Message 2644 by Faith
05-03-2018 9:17 AM


Re: Ancient beaches and seas, no
Faith writes:
I don't need to convince diehard evolutionists in order to know if I've done a good job or not.
Like Trump, everything you do is the best that has ever been done, even when it's an abject failure. Reality be damned. And not only are you an amazing success but you also know who to blame for your failure.

An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo

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Faith 
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Message 2653 of 2887 (832405)
05-03-2018 11:49 AM
Reply to: Message 2651 by ringo
05-03-2018 11:36 AM


Re: no supergenome
Nothing changed genetically after the Flood, what are you talking about?

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Faith 
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Message 2654 of 2887 (832407)
05-03-2018 11:51 AM
Reply to: Message 2652 by ringo
05-03-2018 11:43 AM


Re: Ancient beaches and seas, no
I don't take credit for a lot of my ideas. I pray and God shows me things. And I've also never claimed not to make mistakes, I've made tons of them. But I also know I've done a basically good job of putting together the arguments for the Flood.

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ringo
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Message 2655 of 2887 (832408)
05-03-2018 11:54 AM
Reply to: Message 2653 by Faith
05-03-2018 11:49 AM


Re: no supergenome
Faith writes:
Nothing changed genetically after the Flood, what are you talking about?
In Message 2623 you said:
quote:
I now explain the great genetic diversity before the Flood and therefore in the saved creatures on the ark, as due to the much less junk DNA, probably almost none, and therefore a lot more functioning genes.
So less junk DNA then, more junk DNA now. More functioning genes then, less functioning genes now. How is that not a change?
And why didn't the trilobites survive the Flood?

An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo

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