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Faith 
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Message 496 of 993 (799170)
02-07-2017 8:49 PM
Reply to: Message 493 by JonF
02-07-2017 8:10 PM


Re: Lying polls again. Also lying photos
This is all fake news, it's nuts. Trump's rallies were enormous, and his popularity among conservatives right now, judging from all the conservative sources I know about, is enormous. What's going on with those supposed demonstrations I have no idea, but it's fake for one reason or another. I'll probably hear about it somewhere in the next few days and I'll report back.

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Faith 
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Message 497 of 993 (799176)
02-07-2017 8:58 PM
Reply to: Message 485 by Modulous
02-07-2017 4:12 PM


violent protests
I wasn't talking about response at EvC in this case, but here too objecting to the violence is not very common. Out "there," however, I just about never see anyone on the left regret the violence. Sometimes they even defend it believe it or not.

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Theodoric
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Message 498 of 993 (799187)
02-07-2017 10:12 PM


Faiths lies and attacks
Are any of the Admins going to do anything about Faiths constant lies and attacks on people who disagree with her? Her claims are now beyond pale and utterly offensive. I know she is nothing more than a troll, but she has been accusing people of the vilest behavior and motives and continues to outright lie and refuses to acknowledge when shown she is wrong and claims she made different arguments earlier.
Her behaviour is vile and offensive.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 499 of 993 (799191)
02-07-2017 10:58 PM
Reply to: Message 496 by Faith
02-07-2017 8:49 PM


Re: Lying polls again. Also lying photos
This is all fake news, it's nuts. Trump's rallies were enormous, and his popularity among conservatives right now, judging from all the conservative sources I know about, is enormous. What's going on with those supposed demonstrations I have no idea, but it's fake for one reason or another. I'll probably hear about it somewhere in the next few days and I'll report back.
Maybe George Soros is paying everyone not to attend. After all, there's only, what, eight million people in New York City, so it wouldn't cost him that much to bribe them all with his Jew Gold. That's it, they're paid non-demonstrators.

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vimesey
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Message 500 of 993 (799197)
02-08-2017 1:25 AM


Gotta love those double standards.
I read that Elizabeth Warren was silenced in the Senate for reading out a letter by the widow of Martin Luther King Jr : Elizabeth Warren silenced over US Senate criticism of Sessions - BBC News
I guess the right wing's protestations about freedom of speech only apply when the person in question is from the right, and wants to spout racist and misogynistic drivel.

Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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Riggamortis
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Message 501 of 993 (799199)
02-08-2017 3:35 AM
Reply to: Message 495 by Faith
02-07-2017 8:47 PM


Re: The reality of why we need to restrict Muslim entry into the US
That's not the reason, Rigga, but thanks for tha response.
We'll have to agree to disagree, just keep in mind that my views are based on my perceived reasons for them hating us.
I don't support a lot of our military actions either, but that is not the reason they hate America.
Great, if only your govt gave a damn.
ABE: HOWEVER whatever their reason, why would we want to admit people who hate us into our country? /abe.
My views are not representative of all Aussies and I expect that the views vary from Muslim to Muslim too, hence the screening process. We are doing everything we can to not let the hateful/violent ones in.
Since (in my view) we are largely responsible both for creating the hatred and displacing the people I am uncomfortable, morally speaking, with not granting entry based solely on their home country. It's called taking responsibility for your actions.
It looks to me that the US is happy to invade/bomb Islamic nations, dragging the rest of the west in too, for its own economic benefit and then absolve itself of the consequences ie, refugees and increased terror threat.
To use an analogy, if I am responsible for burning my neighbours house to the ground, I'm an asshole if I turn him and his family away when they turn up on my door step looking for somewhere to stay.
If I grant you that the ideology is the source of their hatred, we are still at least partially responsible for the refugee crisis. If conservatives were as vocal about prevention of the problem as they are about not dealing with it, I'd have a lot more respect for their position.

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Faith 
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Message 502 of 993 (799200)
02-08-2017 3:45 AM
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02-08-2017 3:35 AM


Re: The reality of why we need to restrict Muslim entry into the US
Your "perceived reasons" against my knowledge of Islam's announced agenda, written in their "holy books," continued down the centuries since they began.
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Defeat people in war and you have to let them into your country to behead your citizens? Excuse me?
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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PaulK
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Message 503 of 993 (799202)
02-08-2017 4:01 AM
Reply to: Message 495 by Faith
02-07-2017 8:47 PM


Re: The reality of why we need to restrict Muslim entry into the US
The fact that the U.S. has caused some Iraqis to hate the U.S. is hardly a reason to ban all Iraqis from the U.S.
What about the Iraqis who worked with U.S. Forces and are at risk from the haters ?
This is not a hypothetical question
Despite having spent 6 years getting a Special Immigrant Visa an Iraqi family were still taken off the plane at Istanbul and sent back to Iraq. All because of Trump's Executive Order.
Fortunately the White House were persuaded to change their minds. Or do you think that this family should be excluded just because they are Muslims ?

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Faith 
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Message 504 of 993 (799203)
02-08-2017 4:04 AM
Reply to: Message 503 by PaulK
02-08-2017 4:01 AM


Re: The reality of why we need to restrict Muslim entry into the US
Everything you said is a total nonsequitur or a straw man.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Riggamortis
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Message 505 of 993 (799204)
02-08-2017 4:07 AM
Reply to: Message 502 by Faith
02-08-2017 3:45 AM


Re: The reality of why we need to restrict Muslim entry into the US
Your "perceived reasons" against my knowledge of Islam's announced agenda, written in their "holy books," continued down the centuries since they began.
I was being diplomatic in the hope of having a reasonable discussion, guess I've learned my lesson there. I suppose you can show how Islamic terrorism was prevalent long before the US started intervening constantly in Islamic countries affairs then?
Defeat people in war and you have to let them into your country to behead your citizens? Excuse me?
Who did you defeat in war? You've invaded and destroyed virtually defenceless countries. For nothing more than economic gain. Oh how proud you must be!
Like I said, if you don't want them in your country stand up against your govts actions that cause the problem to begin with. Otherwise you're an asshole.

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PaulK
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Message 506 of 993 (799205)
02-08-2017 4:21 AM
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02-08-2017 4:04 AM


Re: The reality of why we need to restrict Muslim entry into the US
These were Muslims, kept out of the United States by Trump's Executive Order, and allowed in only because the White House relented on cases like theirs.
I understand that you don't like people knowing that but trying to shout it down with lies is not the answer.

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Faith 
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Message 507 of 993 (799206)
02-08-2017 4:28 AM
Reply to: Message 499 by Dr Adequate
02-07-2017 10:58 PM


Re: Lying polls again. Also lying photos
My guess would be nobody heard about it. But there were more than eight there, maybe as many as 100. Page not found - The Western Journal

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Faith 
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Message 508 of 993 (799208)
02-08-2017 4:46 AM
Reply to: Message 505 by Riggamortis
02-08-2017 4:07 AM


Re: The reality of why we need to restrict Muslim entry into the US
Islam's bloody history isn't too hard to find out about. Mohammed spread it by violence and murder. Then they set out to conquer the world, got through much of Eastern Europe before they were pushed back. Don't want peace with Israel, but want Israel gone, period. No secret, they've said it many times. America is "The Great Satan" because of our immorality, not our military actions. But Christians and Jews are to be killed: First the Saturday people, meaning the Jews, and then the Sunday people, meaning Christians. Nothing to do with any military action, it's written in their books. The entire world is to become Allah's, that's their agenda.
I've posted quite a bit on this before and maybe I'll do it again eventually but I'm not up to it right now. Meanwhile check out Jihad Watch:
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Faith 
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Message 509 of 993 (799209)
02-08-2017 4:51 AM
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02-08-2017 4:21 AM


Re: The reality of why we need to restrict Muslim entry into the US
nonsequitur

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PaulK
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Message 510 of 993 (799210)
02-08-2017 4:54 AM
Reply to: Message 509 by Faith
02-08-2017 4:51 AM


Re: The reality of why we need to restrict Muslim entry into the US
Given your complete refusal to honestly address the issues at all - instead "answering" with empty falsehoods - I can only assume that your actual opinion is one you don't want to admit to.

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