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Eta_Carinae Member (Idle past 4400 days) Posts: 547 From: US Joined: |
If before the Fall all creatures were vegetarians why are there venomous snakes that specifically use the venom for paralysing their prey?
What was the purpose of this whilst the snakes were vegetarian? Or was their an unbelievably rapid evolution that occurred after the Fall to produce venomous snakes? Or is this yet another example of the inane nature of interpreting Jewish mythology to the real world?
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AdminNosy Administrator Posts: 4754 From: Vancouver, BC, Canada Joined: |
Thread moved here from the Proposed New Topics forum.
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NosyNed Member Posts: 9003 From: Canada Joined: |
Eta, could you look into the relative motion thread? We are getting out of our depth there.
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SRO2  Inactive Member |
Snakes became venomous due to their loss of appetite for fruit and vegetables after what is now referred to by Snakes as "The Eve incident". They also stopped wearing gloves in protest.
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 760 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
Pah! Rocket's full of it, and probably a Heathen, besides. Everyone knows that snakes needed that venom to subdue the ferocious and wily Jurassic Carrot (and also Triassic Rutabagas). Have you ever seen what That Sort of vegetable can do to a hungry Vegan?
Eta, I've seen similar questions before, but I've never seen much of any answer at all from a YEC. Odd, isn't it?
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
The Bad Apple Syndrome.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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coffee_addict Member (Idle past 503 days) Posts: 3645 From: Indianapolis, IN Joined: |
You're forgetting something, Eta. A lot of creationists believe that "microevolution," whatever that means, is a reality and that "macroevolution" is what they are arguing against. In this case, they would argue that a vegetarian snake gaining venom to paralyze its prey would be an example of "microevolution."
I was surprised to not see creationists try to pull this argument more often. The Laminator For goodness's sake, please vote Democrat this November!
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One_Charred_Wing Member (Idle past 6181 days) Posts: 690 From: USA West Coast Joined: |
Everyone knows that snakes needed that venom to subdue the ferocious and wily Jurassic Carrot (and also Triassic Rutabagas). Have you ever seen what That Sort of vegetable can do to a hungry Vegan? You're lying! Everyone knows that the EVILutionists planted poison-fang genes in the snakes about 300 years ago, then changed all the history books! You can't find any source on this because even the Internet is biased against legit Creationist claims! GAAAAAAAAAH!!! (breathes whips of fire onto everyone!!!) Wanna feel God? Step onto the wrestling mat and you'd be crazy to deny the uplifting spirit. http://www.BadPreacher.5u.com (incomplete, but look anyway!)
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Denesha Inactive Member |
What a mess. Are you all became a bunch of crazy guys ?
Wear a hat when you go outside. Sun is dangerous sometimes. |
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1370 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
In this case, they would argue that a vegetarian snake gaining venom to paralyze its prey would be an example of "microevolution." well, the argument is that the BIBLE says there are venomous snakes before man is even created. we're not really arguing what really happened, or anything about evolution, we're debating what the bible says. genesis 1:21 says "and god created great serpents" some bibles translate this as "whale" but i have no idea why. the word is tanniyn, the same word that is used to describe what moses' staff became when he cast it on the ground in front of pharoah. it's also the same serpent as in these verse:
quote: quote: quote: quote: etc. it's pretty clear it's talking about either a great mythological dragon, or a venomous snake.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
......why are there venomous snakes that specifically use the venom for paralysing their prey? Perhaps the Biblical answer lies in the details of the curse upon the serpents in Genesis 3: 15, "And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her seed; he shall bruise your head and you shall bruise his heel." The serpent was radically changed at the fall, according to the Genesis account. The clear implication is that the prefallen ones had longer legs and were walking and possibly flying creatures. Imo, the prefallen serpents were the dinosaurs whose offspring became snakes, lizzards, allegators, etc. They are all of the serpent family. Likely two not mentioned results were diminished intelligence and poisonous venom. The serpents were the most intelligent of the animal kingdom at creation according to the account. A lot happened at this catastrophy of the fall, including thorny plants and so forth. I believe some plants became poisonous as well. I do not agree with most creationists such as ICR who believe and teach that dinosaurs were in Noah's ark. I do believe however, that the parent prefallen dinosaurs lived very long lives and many survived until the flood which would have been about 1500 years since many humans lived nearly a thousand years.
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Loudmouth Inactive Member |
quote: According to the fossil record, dinosaurs are not the ancestors of any living reptile today. However, they are possibly the ancestors of birds, although that is still a hotly debated topic.
quote: Then you have abandoned a literal reading of Genesis which very emphatically states that all of the creatures that creep upon the earth were put onto the ark. If they were around, they would have been on the ark if they survived till the flood.
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Yaro Member (Idle past 6522 days) Posts: 1797 Joined: |
You know, according to the pre-fall logic, nothing would rot
Our digestive sistem relies on the rotting and breaking down of matter. In this process, you have to kill things. And the bacteria in you stoumach would have to die off or overpopulate and consume you! Furthermore, fruits are alive. Just as alive as your hadn, so tearing one from a tree is essentialy killing it. Eating grass is killing it, etc. Food for thought
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doctrbill Member (Idle past 2790 days) Posts: 1174 From: Eugene, Oregon, USA Joined: |
Excellent point Yaro. That was one of the first problems which biology made apparent to me. There can be no life without death.
That reminds me of another biological problem with the Genesis myth. All creatures were supposed to be fruitful and multiply and "fill the earth." I wonder what was supposed to happen once the earth became "full." Perhaps the point is moot now the plan went sour 'cause a Jew ate something wasn't Kosher. Oddly, the divine command to multiply continues to drive us mad. And no matter how often we practice to obey it, we still haven't filled the earth. Adult Sunday School
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
According to the fossil record, dinosaurs are not the ancestors of any living reptile today. However, they are possibly the ancestors of birds, although that is still a hotly debated topic. You are speaking as an evolutionist. This change involves a supernatural overhaul/adjustment of the genes which science cannot account for.
Then you have abandoned a literal reading of Genesis which very emphatically states that all of the creatures that creep upon the earth were put onto the ark. If they were around, they would have been on the ark if they survived till the flood. No I haven't and no they wouldn't have. Each of the various zapped belly crawling offspring of the parent dinosaurs would be descended from the dinosaur forbear of the variety it descended from. Nice try though.
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