Logical fallicies in the bible

Oh I get it! so your talking about like how Adam and Eve never sinned according to the Bible?

Just so i'm clear on the implications of this thread... if just one inconsistency, or logical error, or impossible event can be found (well maybe not impossible event) then creationists don't really have a leg to stand on. Their whole argument is based on the assumption of the inerrancy of the bible. If it can be shown that a part of the bible is in error who's to say other parts are not in error? maybe they could say "well, just this one part is wrong, but the rest is solid gold"... but how would they know? there isn't any document that say "well these parts of the bible are historically accurate, but these parts are not".If any bit of the bible can be shown to be untrue, or to contradict another part of the bible, who's to say what is accurate and what is inaccurate (historically and scientifically speaking).just to cover my ass a little bit, i don't intend to slam religion, Christianity, or Catholicism in any way with this post. i respect individuals who practice religion and their religious doctrine (as long as it doesn't hurt me or take away my rights). I believe religion and science can exist side by side, but should not be mixed... like apples and oranges... or maybe dingoes and babies.

The intent of this thread is to adress the bible literalists on purely logical grounds.Often, the bible is sought to be disproven scientifically, leading to a lopsided debate depending on the extent of scientific knowledge on either side.So, I hoped that creationists would come in here prepeared to defend the bibles inerrancy on purely logical grounds. This is a thread with the intent of having a debate about bible errancy and inerrancy, that does not require extensive scientific or historical knowledge, but mearly pure common sense.Pointing out logical errors in the bible.So far, no creationsist has taken the bait.For example, how come things are created on different days in Genisis one and 2?

This is more generally a response to anyone questioning the validity of the Bible and it's contents. I offer the supposition that this book was written with the intent to inspire, engage, challenge and otherwise enhance the ability of all human-kind to reason. With every question or contradiction, the mind is already entertaining the thought of God. The Bible is subjective in every way. Allowing the reader to establish his or her own ideas about the constitution and reality of what is written. I was not there, nor can I pretend that I understand all things fully. But, I do have faith. And I believe that to be my idea and my interpretation alone.I am new to this forum and have an opinion on just about everything. I look forward to many discussions.Also. I encourage everyone to re-read or read for the first time, The Age of Reason by Thomas Paine.

how can you interpert the Bible a different Way then what it says? If you read it you can see it has Many problems. you cannot change what "God said" can you?

It is very difficult to write with accuracy about someone elses vision. There will be differences of opinion in how it occured, and differences in the way the story is translated, or passed down. I was not there when God said anything. I did not hear it but I am allowed the opportunity to believe. How can I change what I did not hear?

If this is the case then why the Bile? Why not Ovid, the Upanishads, the bahavda ghita? Why the bible? All the previous books are just as old, some older, so why the Bible over those?

For me? It's the book where I find Christ. A man. A prophet. A terrific role model. It would be great if the Bible offered proof of all it contains. We are a world of skeptics. Naturally. But, God wants us to find Him through faith. I believe we must understand that this book was written at a time when the "whole world" was only as far as a person could manage to travel. That, "all mankind" was literal to that time and this must be taken into consideration. It is hard to apply Leviticus to this day and time because I haven't slain a sheep today. It is a great book about the awesome power of God. But it was written by man. Man, being the most selfish, egocentric mammal, would find it difficult to keep it real when writing such a fabulous story. As a writer, would you not embellish your ass off?

Many storys teach great life lessons. I repect the Bible as litarture but not as My life. I respect it much as I respect any great STORY. You said your self, man wrote it. what makes you think the God that made you is the christen god?[This message has been edited by DC85, 08-31-2003]

Yeh I don't think Thomas Paine had much "faith" in what the bible had to say. He doesn't put much stock in those who refuse to put forth reason when examining the truthfulness of the bible either. How many poeple lie to themselves about how the world really is? he also wrote: I'd almost go as far to say that without him our country might never have been. (not that I don't recognize the contribution of anyone else. His words just kept that spark of liberty flowing )

I believe God to be the Universal God and that there have been many great teachers and prophets. Each one sent at a different time and place according to the needs of humankind. I believe, for myself, that Christ is my conduit to God. Every great prophet has believed in the same God. However, their teachings on how to reach God were different. I hold to the principles of Christ. His teachings offer me the greatest, most peaceful path to God. It is a personal choice and I believe that is the only way to find Him. I follow no particular religion because my difficulties lie in the arrogance of man. I try to be very careful when man has taken credit for the creation of things that are of a godly nature.To more directly answer your question..God is everyone's God. Not just the Christian God. I am a Christian because I believe Christ to be my path to God.

Thomas Paine, in my opinion, offered us the chance to reason the validity of The Bible. He opened the door to caution the thoughts and ideas and writings of man. Was the Bible written by man just to scare God into everyone? To make humankind afraid and ashamed? Was this the intent? Maybe so. Much like these religious leaders today. Don't you think?But, then came Christ. With Him came some clarity. He never once preached of destruction and horror. He only spoke of the peace and grace we receive from God. A much better tactic to sway an individual. My God is not the vengeful, horrible God portrayed in so much of The Bible. He is loving, forgiving, and serenely awesome!I also agree that Mr. Paine was instrumental in keeping the idea of liberty going. He encouraged us to think for ourselves. He fought for that undeniable right. Where this country would be without him is another forum topic altogether!

why do you choose this Path? Don't say its choice or faith there must be an answer. If you don't know why you choose who does?

Why is God consistantly complicated? I choose this path because: sunsets, mountains, my children, talents, waterfalls, the road in front of me, the road behind me, the black night, the photos from Hubble, comets, Garden of the Gods, peaceful sleep, the smell of gardenia, honey, the water in the Bahamas, memory, love, a field of purple flowers, the full moon over Pikes Peak, snow, ice cold spring water, bumble bees.....the list is infinite. All I have to do is look around. I am without doubt. God is everywhere! It's very simple to me. I have all of the proof that I need.

On the contrary: Jesus says:"Do not think that I have come to bring peace ...
"I have not come to bring peace, but a sword (war). Matthew 10:34"I came to cast fire upon the earth" Luke 12:49He threatened uncooperative communities with fiery destruction, like that of Sodom and Gomorrah. Matthew 11:20He suggested drowning people who abuse children. Matthew 18:6 ------------------
"I was very unwilling to give up my belief." Charles Darwin.