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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1343 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
In all fairness, this story was fairly widespread at an early date well, yes. they may have shared the same source. i would argue that there's too many specifics in line to say that it's just a coincidence of a traditional story, although this is still possible. i think the case is very good for the authors getting it from babylonian legend, considering the vast babylonian influence present in the rest of the texts.
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jar Member (Idle past 393 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
As a historian you use written documents to discover history. Written documents are one thing that is used, but not a very reliable means until verified by other things, ruins, pottery, tools, multiple written sources, geology, remains. And this is where the Bible has some problems. Many, many of the historical accounts simply are not borne out by other evidence. In addition, so many of the stories seem to be rewrites of earlier mythology. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2284 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 6.8 |
Read the text again. The text is claiming that "This is the story told by the Torah" not "This is the absolute literal truth".
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1239 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
ill get back to u homework
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1239 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
nothings abosolute literal truth. Historians have to base evidence from writing.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1343 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
ill get back to u homework i'll get back to you as well, going out to watch the debate.
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2284 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 6.8 |
Sure they base some of their conclusions on writing, but they also use cold hard facts like archeology. Does your textbook back up the exodus with archeological facts? if not then its just repeating what the Torah claims and is not stating that this the truth and therefore the exodus isn't being taught as fact as you claimed back in message 52.
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ramoss Member (Idle past 611 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
You do more than that. You also look at artifacts, There are also corrosponding documents in the culture they alledgely went to and came from.. (total, none)
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doctrbill Member (Idle past 2764 days) Posts: 1174 From: Eugene, Oregon, USA Joined: |
CHRIS PORTEUS jr writes: I would think Egypt would have greater influence Egypt did have a great influence on Israel, especially when they were living there; but the events at Mt. Sinai clearly suggest that the Mesopotamian model was preferred by Moses. The Moses character seems intent on minimizing the effects of Egyptian influence. The Law of Moses contains a number of elements which follow Mesopotamian law almost word for word. Moses promotes the Mesopotamian calendar and the dietary restriction on consumption of pork. If I am not mistaken, the rite of circumcision is also of Mesopotamian origin. I'd bet there are other evidences of which I am currently unaware. db
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1239 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
quote: My point was that sometimes that's all they have.
quote: This could be used as evidence for either side depending on your perspective.
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1239 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
quote: Zoraster(probably sic)? Polytheism? The Sumerians religion was much different believing in a dreary afterlife. -porcelain
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1239 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
quote: Sometimes written text and the outcome of where the people are is all that's available. Is it accepted that the Israelites were enslaved by the Egyptians? If so there must have been an exodus. -porcelain
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1239 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
quote: THere must be a conclusion to how and why they left Egypt. The best evidence there is to what happened is the written text.
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jar Member (Idle past 393 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
My point was that sometimes that's all they have. This thread is on the Origin of God's word, IOW, the Bible. Fortunately, when it comes to the Bible there is lots of other evidence, or lack of evidence where there should be evidence. Some things can be confirmed, many others are unsupported and many of the key things in the Bible such as the creation story, the flood, the Exodus have no outside support and there is a large body of refuting evidence. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1239 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
quote: Two civilizations can't view creation the same way? I would tend to think that would give accuracy to genesis. I think the oldest civilization would have good authority to speak of creation.
quote: Yeah
quote: I remember seeing it and they portrayed the Biblical account of winning, do you know what their evidences were? Do any of these links on this site have a case? http://www.jcsm.org/misc/TheExodus.htm This message has been edited by CHRIS PORTEUS jr, 10-01-2004 09:49 PM
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