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Message 16 of 144 (701389)
06-18-2013 8:18 AM


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I promoted this to Free For All because I was unable to make any sense of CD's proposed topic, but maybe others understand it better. I think an effort should be made to help clarify what CD is trying to say.

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Message 17 of 144 (701390)
06-18-2013 8:30 AM


Please provide direct evidence of life energy.
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The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53
The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
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Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
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Message 18 of 144 (701392)
06-18-2013 9:45 AM
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Re: Thread Copied from Proposed New Topics Forum
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Thread copied here from the Why not see when a theory becomes obsolete thread in the Proposed New Topics forum.
Well ok, if you must, but you've only yourself to blame........

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Message 19 of 144 (701394)
06-18-2013 11:01 AM


Looks to me as if it's gobbledygook all the way down.

  
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Message 20 of 144 (701395)
06-18-2013 11:37 AM
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Re: Moderator Suggestion
I promoted this to Free For All because I was unable to make any sense of CD's proposed topic, but maybe others understand it better.
David Mabus typically doesn't respond to other peoples' threads, though. He only starts them.

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Message 21 of 144 (701396)
06-18-2013 11:40 AM


Turtles all the way down.
The idea was Turtles all the way down but they were out of Turtles so it is pretend Turtles all the way down.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

  
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Message 22 of 144 (701399)
06-18-2013 11:59 AM


The World Can't Be Older Than a Few Weeks
A million bacteria weigh 1 mg or so, or 1 ng per bacteria. They double every 20 minutes.
The mass of the Earth is about 6x10^24 kg, or 6x10^36 ng.
If we start with just a single bacterium wieghing 1 ng with a doubling time of 20 minutes we can arrive at the mass of the Earth in bacterium after about 125 doublings. That's just a day and a half. Even if we allow for a much slower doubling time, the Earth can not be more than a few weeks old according to CrazyDiamond's math.

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Message 23 of 144 (701404)
06-18-2013 1:46 PM
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Re: The World Can't Be Older Than a Few Weeks
the Earth can not be more than a few weeks old according to CrazyDiamond's math.
Obviously not. It was created last Tuesday.

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Message 24 of 144 (701587)
06-21-2013 1:29 PM
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06-04-2013 8:55 PM


CrazyDiamond7 writes:
It is mathematically impossible that a population of 2,000 people would have taken a time longer than Ten thousand years to reach 1 million.
It's biologically possible though because people die. In fact, it's biologically possible for the population in ten thousand years to be zero.
Mathematics is a wonderful thing but it doesn't trump reality.

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Message 25 of 144 (701593)
06-21-2013 2:40 PM
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06-04-2013 8:55 PM


The Bunny Blunder! Really?
Is that what this is about? That stupid "human population growth model" that everybody has known for over 30 years for what nonsense it is? The author of that book -- all I can find about it on Google is that somebody it has fooled has been posting on Portuguese forums about it -- is lying to you and is making a fool of you. Yes, as a Christian you're supposed to be proud when non-believers think you to be a fool, but that doesn't apply here. You have been taught to say very foolish things which clearly communicate to the rest of the world how foolish Christianity is, even though that foolishness has nothing to do with what Christianity actually teaches or requires you to believe. Instead of showing us how reasonable Christianity is, you are driving us away laughing our heads off.
That idiocy you regurgitated is known as "The Bunny Blunder", because if we apply your "model" to rabbits, we find that the current world population of rabbits, given the rate at which they multiply (like rabbits!), would have originated from two bunnies about one hundred years ago.
When I researched it around 1990, Henry Morris of the ICR was its originator and major proponent. I published on CompuServe in 1991 and have posted it as THE BUNNY BLUNDER or What's Up, Doc Morris?.
Edited by dwise1, : subtitle

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Message 26 of 144 (701716)
06-24-2013 4:35 PM
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06-18-2013 11:59 AM


Impossibility of creating a beginning of life
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Taq,
What about the results from the experiment ( of creating a beginning of life outside of what is living ) ?
The result would prove the inerrancy of the evolution belief.
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quote:
Life energy and existence never had a beginning.
Because no beginning of life is found outside of what is already living.
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What is being declared is the impossibility of life having had a beginning outside of what is already living'. But a theory [ the evolution theory ] is fundamentally based on the belief that it would have been possible. Many men have the habit of believing that the beginning of life would have started somewhere in the past, and then life would have evolved from that point. But if it was so then it would be possible for you to create life outside of what is already living.
That is, man should be able to reproduce, by experiment, the exact conditions in which life would have started all by itself for the first time since that beginning of life would have happened naturally somewhere in the past, allegedly. However, the results of such experiment were not demonstrated indeed. Have you ever wondered,
If even man, with all perfection, intelligence and resources, was not able to create a beginning of life outside of what’s already living ( which would prove the accuracy of the evolution theory ) then is it not too obvious that nature does not do it all by itself ?
That is why there is a third option: EMANATION OF LIVING LIGHT.
Edited by CrazyDiamond7, : update

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Message 27 of 144 (701748)
06-25-2013 4:33 PM
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06-24-2013 4:35 PM


Re: Impossibility of creating a beginning of life
Taq,
What about the results from the experiment ( of creating a beginning of life outside of what is living ) ?
Where did you show that it is an impossibility as you claim?

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Message 28 of 144 (701996)
06-28-2013 5:44 PM
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06-25-2013 4:33 PM


Comprehending the Existence - Emanentism Vs Transcendentalism
Hi Taq,
There was a distinction to be made, bringing up the difference between both perspectives since the evolution theory ( in regards to the origin of life ) utilizes a common transcendental vision of the reality.
This distinction is already known by the equation Emanentism Vs Transcendentalism.
The evolution theory sees the origin of life in a Transcendental vision,
that is 'The origin of life would have started occasionally somewhere in the past and then it would have evolved from that point.
The above transcendental vision in regards to the origin of life is not even a perception since the results were not demonstrated. Man is not able to create a beginning of life outside of what is already living.
Therefore the evolution theory ( in regards to the origin of life ) is not a teaching based on perception of the reality or ascertained truth of the facts. It's a belief. It's a transcendental and visionary form of believing that the Life energy and Existence would be forever slaves to Causality, as it was quoted before,
There would be ’only one constant; the only real force: Causality; Action, reaction; cause and effect . Choice is an illusion, created between those with power and those without . Causality. There is no escape from it. We are forever slaves to it.'
However, the Life energy and Existence is not dependent on the continuous sequence of a second after another.
If it was so then the physicians would not have spoken about Relativity of Simultaneity and there would not be another sequence ( or duration ) of time which is time in simultaneous sequence. Not even the Light of your thoughts, memories given by the dreams, imagination and knowledge would be flowing in a movement and yet motionless, ( that is the fading effect of simultaneity ), if, in fact, the reality and the existence was so fused into the continuous sequence of a second after another.
quote:
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______________________ Life energy and Trepidation Graph ______________________
|________________________ Simultaneity of the Initial Time
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|____ Time of impact for termination __|______ Time of impact for mediation
|_______ of continuous sequence ______|___ Immediate and simultaneous sequence
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|____________ Determinism ____________|_____________ Freedom _________________
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|________ Involuntary trembling ________|________ Free agency trepidation _______
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|______ Causality; cause and effect _____|______________ Choice __________________
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|_____ life energy flows by reaction ____|_____ life energy flows by freewill _______
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The transcendentalism is based on a mistake of the Human perception.
The mistake is not seeing that the 'Life energy and existence never had a beginning ( in the duration of time of a second after another )',
If the Life energy of the living beings would have had an origin or beginning somewhere in the past then it would be possible for man to create an origin or beginning of life outside of what is already living.
What is being declared ( the impossibility of life having had a beginning outside of what is already living' ) is better explained through the Emanentism.
By Emanentism it is comprehended that the Reality and the Existence do emanate from perception, and the perception is produced by the source of the Life energy.
'The Life energy ( in the Living Beings ) does not act in the action itself but in the form of action'.
All things ( the ants, the bees, fish, birds, wasps and other animals ..... ) do act according to a specific form of action which has nothing to do with instinct.
Investigators do know that the presence of a pattern does indicate a serial form of action, which implies that the action is not caused by instinct or past lives experiences.
Their specific form of action is entirely controlled by the Life energy that emanates in the Living beings.
By the Emanence of Living Light, from the perspective of the Life energy flowing in the Human body,
the light is greater than times, thought and realm.
When you come to be who you are
[ that is, *when you become a person that can say about yourself: I AM THAT I AM ]
then you ascertain that you are first-fruit of living Light
If you do not come to be who you are
then the reality you are in is a poverty
and you are that poverty
Seeing from the perspective of the Living Light ( or the Life energy ) that flows in the Human body -There is nothing coming from the visible things but from the form that you see them.
So the meaning - the reality can be changed, from poverty and victim of circumstances to immortality and happiness. - 'Nothing does exist without the means by which reality and existence are seen, heard and perceived'.
quote:
Access to the life energy - Shortest distance between two points — Simultaneity
Another Look at Echoes
An echo of a distant time — Knowing that time in simultaneous sequence is a permanence or duration of a time other than the continuous sequence of a second after another, life energy does echo emanating in the living beings. Time in simultaneous sequence is an echo of the Initial time of life energy. The duration of the life energy is time in immediate and simultaneous sequence.
You and your life energy are two separate glances that can meet whether by chance or taking by the hand: In order for you to access your life energy the shortest distance between two points is accessible by an immediate sequence of nervous trepidation through which life energy does echo. Because another part of you is taken by the hand: You can access the sequence of time of your life energy by pressing the palms of both hands together. No separation between you and your life energy will be seen but simultaneity: And I am you and what I see is me.
Up ahead the albatross hangs motionless upon the air — To move in simultaneous sequence is a movement and yet motionless. In a nervous trembling or trepidation there is motion in simultaneous sequence like a fading effect, also when a lightning walks in heaven during a sequence of time that is not a continuous sequence. And as the duration of the time interval between two events is continuous for inertial observers only, the sequence of time of a non-inertial nervous trepidation is simultaneous with the Initial time of life energy.
The continuous sequence of a second after another is only the same for inertial observers. For who ever will retain the initial time of life energy, that continuous sequence is terminated in the measure that it is replaced with an immediate and simultaneous one.
No one speaks and no one tries
No one speaks what is unspeakable when referring to ordinary men. You can't say 'I Am that I Am' if the truth is that 'you are what you eat'. For there is a line to be crossed connecting you to your Life energy, by substituting your regular foods with what is living.
No one crosses there alive — You come into being in the measure that another part of you passes away by eating solely what is living. The fruits from compatible solid trees are extensions from what is living.
In the access to the Life energy it is necessary to stop eating what is incompatible for the body so that one can cross the line from unspeakable to speakable. For the verb To Be in Hebrew: Haveh ( Am ) can be spoken not just with words of the mouth. When a person eats solely what is compatible for the body then a person becomes able to speak I Am in reference to the Life energy that you are. In times that one's Life energy is re-initiated, it is also extended by nervous quickening or trepidation.
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1st. phrimi - time of permanence of the initial time of a glittering light
2nd. seqencea - immediate sequence of the initial time of phrimi
3rd. trmina - time of impact for termination of continuous sequence
. mediata - time of impact for mediation and shortening between phrimi and permanenci
Lacnica - time of shortening of the light that connects knowledge and thoughts
simultanea - simultaneous and immediate sequence of mediation and shortening
permanenci - time of permanence of the light in simultaneous sequence
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The sequence of time of Life energy
There is energy in living things and it is in two forms, chemical and electrical energy. When a nervous trembling or trepidation occurs, the duration of time of the trembling is in immediate sequence connecting the physical ( the nervous system ) to the appropriate sequence of time ( that is the initial time of life energy ) through which a high range of life energy is achieved.
Trepidation or nervous quickening is an involuntary trembling caused whether by rage, fear or pleasure. It’s an expression of life energy flowing. Also occurs when one trembles by pressing the palms of both hands together. When keeping the palms of both hands together up high, pressed to each other, for approximately 17 minutes then the nervous trepidation will occur spontaneously. Permanence time is the duration of time that is expected for the life energy to stay in the Human body.
When the sequence of time of nervous trepidation is accessed by choice then the permanence time or duration of life energy can be extended endlessly.
The sequence of time of a quickening by imposition of hands is 'time of impact for mediation and shortening between the right and left side of one's brain'. It’s also mediation and shortening between two poles, phrimi and permanenci that become gathered simultaneously: that simultaneity is access to the initial time of life energy and the shortest distance between two points.
Replacing a continuous sequence with an immediate one
Trepidation or nervous quickening is required in moments of pleasure because the usual movement in continuous sequence is not physically enough for a high range of life energy. Therefore a sequence that terminates: the continuous sequence of a second after another is substituted with a shortening - an immediate sequence that equates to the duration of the initial time of life energy.
By the sequence of time of life energy a new life is generated. And as the pleasure is best retained by the sequence of time of a trepidation or nervous quickening, which approximates the physical to the initial time of life energy, even so the transference of life energy occurs in immediate and simultaneous sequence during the physical movement through which a new life is generated.
The understanding of times and relativity of simultaneity applies to the activity of life in electrical form. And it applies whether to the simultaneity of electrical impulses in fading effect within one’s brain or to the fading effect of a lightning moving through the density of the clouds.
Life energy in electrical form has life emanating of itself
Trepidation or nervous quickening flows through the nervous system and is increased by the same life energy. Life in electrical form emanates of itself because the sequence of time of a quickening or trepidation, being immediate and simultaneous sequence, is a movement that corresponds to a time of impact that generates all by itself a duration or permanence of that same motion. It does not depend on a continual sequence of a second after another. That time of impact is . mediata - mediation and shortening between phrimi and permanenci.
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Question often asked — What makes it possible for a person to abstain from incompatible foods and eat solely the fruits from the compatible solid trees?
It’s a simple equation,
Exchange a certainty of death ( in case you keep eating incompatible foods )
for a possibility of life and happiness.
Exchange a system in which you have nothing to win,
for a system in which you have nothing to lose.
To initiate the immortality is keeping the garment ( the skin that dresses the body ) as new and the wineskin ( the brain and the nervous system ) as new. No one sews a patch of new fabric on a garment that is getting old. - So the meaning, It is not possible to remedy or restore, by new consumptions of food the substances intrinsically Human as the skin. And no one puts new wine ( new consumptions of food ) into old wineskins.
If the purpose is that the bride ( the Life energy ) should not be taken away from the bridal chamber (the Human body) then these are seasons and times for one to abstain from incompatible foods.
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Edited by CrazyDiamond7, : update

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Message 29 of 144 (702008)
06-28-2013 7:44 PM
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Re: Comprehending the Existence - Emanentism Vs Transcendentalism
Brah, you crazier than a shit house rat, dig? Did momma huff paint thinner while breast feeding?
Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given.

"Science is interesting, and if you don't agree you can fuck off." -Dawkins

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Message 30 of 144 (702050)
06-29-2013 1:29 PM
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Re: Comprehending Equality
CrazyDiamond7 writes:
It’s a simple equation,
Exchange a certainty of death ( in case you keep eating incompatible foods )
for a possibility of life and happiness.
Exchange a system in which you have nothing to win,
for a system in which you have nothing to lose.
It's interesting that you call it an "equation". You do understand that the two sides of an equation are equal, don't you?
All things being equal, I think nothing to lose is better than nothing to win.

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