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Topic: Gun Control Again
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New Cat's Eye
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Re: Some more data
But why would anyone have that as an "ultimate goal"...? They dislike guns and they don't want people to have them.
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New Cat's Eye
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Re: Background checks work
How much do you really know about the NSA? Enough to know that they're totally untrustworthy. The complete lack of blowback from any other agency nor any of the branches of the government, has caused me to lose all faith in the whole thing. I'm done with the Feds. I'll pay my taxes and that's it. I'm not going to actively support providing them with more information, for any reason.
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dronestar
Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: 11-19-2008 Member Rating: 6.5
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Re: Background checks work
hooah212002 writes: Why don't you use your distrust of the department of agriculture to bolster your argument? Department of Agriculture? Don't even get me started. Damn fascist-scurvy-dogs, . . . the whole bunch of 'em!
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hooah212002
Member (Idle past 822 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: 08-12-2009
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Re: Background checks work
That sounds like a reddit comment. Unsourced and hyperbolic. I thought we had higher standards here?
"Science is interesting, and if you don't agree you can fuck off." -Dawkins
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RAZD
Member (Idle past 1426 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: 03-14-2004
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Re: Background checks work
Whoa, wait. If people are obtaining guns illegally, like they borrow it from their cousin, then how can background checks affect that?
If you give a cousin a gun because they cannot pass a background check then you are at fault, you are aiding and abetting. And that would be an illegitimate use, so how do you square that with this:
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background checks cannot affect legitimate use, but it can affect illegitimate use.
Because the onus is on the registered gun owner to ensure that the gun is used properly. You are responsible as the registered owner, so you better be careful who you lend then out to and what it is used for.
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Straggler
Member Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: 09-30-2006
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Re: Some more data
CS writes: They dislike guns and they don't want people to have them. "Dislike"....? Lots of people dislike anchovies. Why would people treat a "dislike of guns differently to a dislike of anchovies if "dislike" is all it boils down to? Maybe people "dislike" guns because they consdier them dangerous instruments of death rather than on some sort of whim as you seem to be implying.....
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Straggler
Member Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: 09-30-2006
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Message 2407 of 5179 (719967)
02-19-2014 1:12 PM
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Reply to: Message 2400 by Phat
02-19-2014 11:53 AM
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Re: Some more data
So the "ultimate goal" of those who advocate gun controls is.....what?
CS writes: Propping up kids to hide an ulterior motive is despicable. I'm still desperately unclear as to what the "ulterior motive" being talked about here actually is? What is this "ulterior motive"?
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New Cat's Eye
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Message 2408 of 5179 (719970)
02-19-2014 1:22 PM
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Reply to: Message 2405 by RAZD
02-19-2014 12:21 PM
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Re: Background checks work
Oh, I didn't realize you were talking about some fantasy land where gun owners were registered. But still, your claim that background checks cannot affect legitimate use, but it can affect illegitimate use, remains completely wrong.
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New Cat's Eye
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Re: Some more data
Maybe people "dislike" guns because they consdier them dangerous instruments of death rather than on some sort of whim as you seem to be implying..... I didn't mean to imply that it was on a whim. In my experience, the dislike for guns is based on an irrational fear of them.
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New Cat's Eye
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Re: Some more data
So the "ultimate goal" of those who advocate gun controls is.....what? Not "those who advocate gun controls" in general. We were talking about those Moms and Mayors that were mentioned in the article. They're the ones propping up kids to hide that they just don't want people to have guns.
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RAZD
Member (Idle past 1426 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: 03-14-2004
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Message 2411 of 5179 (719977)
02-19-2014 1:56 PM
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Reply to: Message 2400 by Phat
02-19-2014 11:53 AM
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which coup do you mean?
Disarming the citizens would make it easier for a coup to take place, right? You mean like the one going on now as billionaires buy up congress and get laws passed to get them even more entrenched in controlling the state and federal governments ... all while they keep you distracted about dems "wanting to take your guns" and "national security" and reducing citizen rights (patriot act, citizen's united, ALEC laws, etc) -- that one? Or do you mean the fake fantasy one they keep warning you about ... ? 
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9141 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.3
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Message 2412 of 5179 (720002)
02-19-2014 3:24 PM
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Reply to: Message 2400 by Phat
02-19-2014 11:53 AM
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Re: Some more data
Gun control does not equal Disarming the citizens. This is the worst and most disingenuous argument that gun nuts use.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9141 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.3
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Re: Background checks work
Enough to know that they're totally untrustworthy. But you haven't provided any data. I thought we didn't allow unsupported assertions here.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9141 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.3
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Re: Some more data
In my experience, the dislike for guns is based on an irrational fear of them. Irrational? Tell that to James Brady or the families from Sandy Hook.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Percy
Member Posts: 22480 From: New Hampshire Joined: 12-23-2000 Member Rating: 4.8
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Re: Some more data
At one time car accidents caused more deaths in the United States than guns, but through regulation cars were made safer and safer until gun deaths now outnumber car deaths. If regulation can make cars safer then it could make guns safer, too.
Catholic Scientist writes: In my experience, the dislike for guns is based on an irrational fear of them. Fearing something that is involved in the deaths of around 30,000 people a year isn't irrational, but the objection to guns is based not so much on fear but more on concern about the awful annual toll. It needn't be this way. --Percy
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