Oh No, The New Awesome Primary Thread

I get so sick of the holier-than-thou attitude at EvC, and yours is typical although you may not think so. I don't know what's "evil" about waterboarding. As I said I haven't studied it. Jesus was no wimp you know, or maybe you don't know that since your Jesus IS pretty wimpy.

As an army veteran in intelligence, I completely disagree with this statement as per my training and personal research. Torture only causes the victim to make any declaration regardless of veracity simply in order to make it stop.See Effectiveness of torture for interrogation for a brief introduction and pay particular attention to some of the references and external links.The use of torture is all about revenge and the hate/fear sociopathy of its supporters -- it is not about gathering useful intelligence. Yes, and I agree for apparently even stronger reasons than you do, but we agree anyway, likely because we both have more understanding and respect for those red words in the NT than many others who worship and are the victims of hate and fear.

Jesus didn't preach to governments. Applying his teachings to governments is totally out of line. If you have information about waterboarding to impart, then impart it, but leave the self-righteous moralizing out of it.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

You realize of course that you are trying to dictate how two people who are not you talk to each other, right?It appears to me that you are on the verge of 'losing it' once again. Opinions other than yours appear to irritate you mightily. Just a few weeks ago I was marveling at your level head and your thick skin. Perhaps some prayer closet time might be in order?Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

WOWAre you at all familiar with the acronym WWJD (What Would Jesus Do?), Baptists sure know what it means.Are you actually arguing Jesus would agree with torture, you know, like crucifixion?Did we even read the same book?This is why I avoid you, but sometimes you make it impossible.

I said nothing about what Jesus would approve or disapprove. What I said was that he did not preach to governments.Beyond giving them the gospel, Jesus didn't give us rules for dealing with criminals, which is the state's business. He did tell a lot of parables that involve severe punishments for wrongdoers however. And eventually He Himself is going to come "with flaming fire to take vengeance on" his enemies.As I keep saying I do not know if waterboarding is a bad policy for a state seeking to break a criminal or not. I DON'T KNOW.I'm just objecting to this fingerpointing method of debate by which another person's opinion is treated as morally reprehensible as if you are God and can judge such things. Trump may be wrong about waterboarding but that doesn't deserve him the moralizing condemnation of people of other opinions.People survive waterboarding don't they? They aren't damaged by it, it is meant to make a person uncomfortable enough to confess. If it doesn't work it doesn't work, but it's not "torture" like the rack and the thumb screw and the iron maiden, the worst it does is make the person very uncomfortable, isn't that right? Pretty mild form of "torture."ABE: I didn't read the link you posted but I strongly object to this form of denouncing people too: What a bunch of PC sociopathy in itself, just an excuse to vilify people you disagree with. The usual fingerpointing in official form. Blech, yuck.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Hate and fear focus, is that all you get from the NT? Ignorance is a curable condition, libraries are free. Waterboarding is immoral because it serves no purpose other than to satisfy cruel revenge. As my father said "revenge is the emotion that promises the most and delivers the least." If someone supports immoral actions, I have every right to call them out on it. Your admittedly uninformed opinion does not seem to be shared by its victims. Your reputation for a complete lack of self-awareness is both legendary and well-deserved.I will now stop responding to your posts as it is as usual gradually becoming all about you and not about the subject at hand.Edited by anglagard, : add admittedlyEdited by anglagard, : Mispelled your

Surely, you've heard of the dunning-gruger effect?

I certainly sense some strategic value in his wording, but I don't think he scripts anything nor does he use a teleprompter

There are more illegal immigrants who overstay work and school visas than those who cross the border illegally anyway. But rarely, if ever, are those talking points mentioned because those individuals tend be perceived as having some utility whereas those from Latin America are viewed as... rapists.

This is the same Jesus who told us to love our enemies? You have taken the message of the embodied Word of God, which tells us to love God, neighbour and enemy, that said blessed are the meek and the peacemakers and turned it into a message of vengeance and horror.

You don't know what's evil about strapping people down against their will and forcing them to suffocate? And you think that Jesus would approve of it because he's not a "wimp?"Are you trolling?

The Sanhedrin was the government, and its members were his chief complaint. It is torture, Faith. It's not simulated drowning, it is drowning. Submit to a waterboarding and find out for yourself. Leaving lasting physical damage isn't a qualifier. Someone pointing a gun to your head and repeatedly squeezing the trigger, making you think you're about to die, would be torture that didn't leave any lasting physical damage. You're calling other people "sociopaths" yet you openly support torture, and what's worse, think that Jesus supports it because he's "not a wimp." Did it escape your attention that he himself was tortured and was so terrified about it that his sweat turned to blood (Hematidrosis)?

Some how you american Christians went from looking at the cross and going how could someone suffer so much and forgive, to Romans are pussies he still has his eyes.

Nope, the opposite. I'm saying that some people's experiences do tend to change their views. Which is a good thing. Suppose a person close to him (not a bat s**t crazy person, but a normal person) experienced it, told him about it and he found that the evidence was reliable. Yes, for example those people who who think that slavery, as described in most Christian Holy Books is moral. Those people really can't be swayed by anything. They won't change their views easily. Yip. However, it happens for some people.Some people do change considerably. Not all people are the same.