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Author Topic:   Should countries outlaw the hijab, niqab and burka?
DrJones*
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Message 61 of 372 (771288)
10-23-2015 3:10 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by NoNukes
10-23-2015 2:46 PM


Re: Pajama Bottoms at the bottom of the style barrel
I prefer the ambiguity, so I am going to pretend that I did not read this explanation.
While I'll imagine every post of Ringo's being read by Sharon Stone but with Sean Connery's voice.

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
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Omnivorous
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Message 62 of 372 (771289)
10-23-2015 4:11 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by NoNukes
10-23-2015 2:46 PM


Re: Pajama Bottoms at the bottom of the style barrel
NoNukes writes:
... I decided to become gender-ambiguous instead
I prefer the ambiguity, so I am going to pretend that I did not read this explanation.
It's just what ringo says on the web now anyway. Video or it didn't happen.
In the multiverse of all possible worlds, there must be at least one where ringo is a hot young Sharon Stone who can shoot but seems to like me okay.
Damn. Wrong universe again.

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Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.
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Message 63 of 372 (771440)
10-26-2015 8:07 AM
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10-22-2015 6:41 PM


NoNukes
I imagined it. What was your point.
I understand the situation but fail to see the problem.
Regards
DL

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Message 64 of 372 (771441)
10-26-2015 8:10 AM
Reply to: Message 52 by Blue Jay
10-22-2015 7:47 PM


Re: Pajama Bottoms at the bottom of the style barrel
Blue Jay
Not if you are one of the women.
Then you would just hope for success.
Regards
DL

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Message 65 of 372 (771442)
10-26-2015 8:11 AM
Reply to: Message 53 by Omnivorous
10-22-2015 9:14 PM


Re: Pajama Bottoms at the bottom of the style barrel
Omnivorous
Then the oppressed would hear you cheering for the oppressors twice as much. How nice for you.
Regards
DL

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Message 66 of 372 (771443)
10-26-2015 8:13 AM
Reply to: Message 54 by Bliyaal
10-23-2015 10:48 AM


Re: Pajama Bottoms at the bottom of the style barrel
Bliyaal
Exactly my point. So should Muslim women have the right to not wear what they do not want.
Whose right should be enforced? Should we consider the oppressed less than the free?
Regards
DL

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Message 67 of 372 (771444)
10-26-2015 8:15 AM
Reply to: Message 55 by ringo
10-23-2015 11:45 AM


ringo
Yes. I will show the hardest line I can against the oppression of women and the signs of slavery I see in Canada.
Regards
DL

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Message 68 of 372 (771446)
10-26-2015 8:18 AM
Reply to: Message 56 by ringo
10-23-2015 11:49 AM


ringo
I cannot do much for private abuses but can certainly do something to change the attitudes of Muslim men in public.
It sure beats doing what you want. Nothing for women. Just let the oppression ride.
"First they came for the Jews, but I did nothing because I'm not a Jew. Then they came for the socialists, but I did nothing because I'm not a socialist. Then they came for the Catholics, but I did nothing because I'm not a Catholic. Finally, they came for me, but by then there was no one left to help me." — Pastor Father Niemoller (1946)
Regards
DL
Regards
DL

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Bliyaal
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Message 69 of 372 (771447)
10-26-2015 8:29 AM
Reply to: Message 66 by Greatest I am
10-26-2015 8:13 AM


Re: Pajama Bottoms at the bottom of the style barrel
Consider you wish granted because you know what? They arleady have the right to wear it (niqab, hijab, burka) or not. It's their choice.
What do you want to change again?

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Message 70 of 372 (771459)
10-26-2015 10:05 AM
Reply to: Message 65 by Greatest I am
10-26-2015 8:11 AM


Re: Pajama Bottoms at the bottom of the style barrel
Omnivorous writes:
Omnivorous
Then the oppressed would hear you cheering for the oppressors twice as much. How nice for you.
They would hear me cheering twice as loud for their right to decide for themselves. You'd be surprised how sweet that sounds to someone usually only offered a choice of masters.
And from you they would hear only their marching orders. Liberty is not "the freedom to obey"* someone else.
What they ought to hear from other Canadians is how to engage the law in protecting their rights and welfare. Those laws exist. Instead of promoting access to those laws by Muslim women, you want to give their men (and the women's right to choose for themselves) a great big slap in the face, leaving the men even more alienated and the women more vulnerable.
How nice for you.
Once you've accomplished that, you can forbid Haredi Jewish women from covering their hair with wigs, Orthodox Christian and Eastern Catholic nuns from wearing apostolniks, and Episcopalian women from wearing their hats to church.
You'll be shocked to know that high school girls throughout North America are prevented from wearing the halter tops and short-shorts they favor to school. And in gym class, unlike the boys, they can't take off their shirts when it gets hot! Let's wake up all oppressive North American men and free those breasts! A lot of girls might not like it, but there are principles involved that are more important than their modesty or preferences. You've got a life-time of telling women what to do ahead of you. I'm surpised you have the time to lie to us.
By the way, as a technical side-note, because I like to study alternative realities: When you are accused of lying about thousands of Muslim honor killings in Canada, do you figure lies or insults are the most effective reply?
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Blue Jay
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Message 71 of 372 (771460)
10-26-2015 10:21 AM
Reply to: Message 64 by Greatest I am
10-26-2015 8:10 AM


Re: Pajama Bottoms at the bottom of the style barrel
Hi, GIA.
GIA writes:
Not if you are one of the women.
Then you would just hope for success.
Again, you're trying to manipulate me and/or any other readers by playing on my emotions and inducing a guilt trip. You seem to be under the impression that anybody who opposes you must not care about Muslim women.
What you need to recognize is that you are not being opposed because your opposition are heartless and don't care about Muslim women. You are being opposed because your way of dealing with the problem has major flaws:
  1. It fits into a pattern of well-intentioned legislation that simply hasn't worked in the past.
  2. It will probably impinge unnecessarily on the rights of women who are not affected by the oppression you're trying to target
I maintain that the only thing we are likely to gain from this legislation is the warm (and probably wrong) feeling that we have embraced and supported a social cause. Unfortunately, since this feeling is highly likely to be inaccurate, we'll probably have only made the situation worse by convincing ourselves we've done something meaningful when we haven't.
Edited by Blue Jay, : No reason given.
Edited by Blue Jay, : Minor edits.

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Message 72 of 372 (771477)
10-26-2015 12:11 PM
Reply to: Message 67 by Greatest I am
10-26-2015 8:15 AM


Greatest I am writes:
Yes. I will show the hardest line I can against the oppression of women and the signs of slavery I see in Canada.
Are you being deliberately evasive? I asked you to show that there is a large majority in Canada that would outlaw the hijab, as you claimed in the OP.

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Message 73 of 372 (771478)
10-26-2015 12:17 PM
Reply to: Message 68 by Greatest I am
10-26-2015 8:18 AM


Greatest I am writes:
I cannot do much for private abuses but can certainly do something to change the attitudes of Muslim men in public.
What does that accomplish? Forcing Muslim men to make a pretense of equality in public is likely to make some of them more oppressive in private, not less.
Greatest I am writes:
"First they came for the Jews, but I did nothing because I'm not a Jew. Then they came for the socialists, but I did nothing because I'm not a socialist. Then they came for the Catholics, but I did nothing because I'm not a Catholic. Finally, they came for me, but by then there was no one left to help me." — Pastor Father Niemoller (1946)
But you're saying that "they" SHOULD be coming for the Muslims. YOU are the one who's advocating suppression of a minority by outlawing their cultural practices.

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Message 74 of 372 (771545)
10-27-2015 8:33 AM
Reply to: Message 69 by Bliyaal
10-26-2015 8:29 AM


Re: Pajama Bottoms at the bottom of the style barrel
Bliyaal
"Consider you wish granted because you know what? They arleady have the right to wear it (niqab, hijab, burka) or not. It's their choice."
Was it the choice of these girls?
2002 Mecca girls' school fire - Wikipedia
Repeat your statement and show us all how well you can think.
Regards
DL

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Message 75 of 372 (771546)
10-27-2015 8:37 AM
Reply to: Message 70 by Omnivorous
10-26-2015 10:05 AM


Re: Pajama Bottoms at the bottom of the style barrel
Omnivorous
"They would hear me cheering twice as loud for their right to decide for themselves."
2002 Mecca girls' school fire - Wikipedia
Did these girls decide to die by themselves?
Or did their masters force them to do so?
Regards
DL

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