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Author | Topic: Should countries outlaw the hijab, niqab and burka? | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
DrJones* Member Posts: 2284 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 6.8
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I prefer the ambiguity, so I am going to pretend that I did not read this explanation. While I'll imagine every post of Ringo's being read by Sharon Stone but with Sean Connery's voice.It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3978 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 7.3
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NoNukes writes: ... I decided to become gender-ambiguous instead
I prefer the ambiguity, so I am going to pretend that I did not read this explanation. It's just what ringo says on the web now anyway. Video or it didn't happen. In the multiverse of all possible worlds, there must be at least one where ringo is a hot young Sharon Stone who can shoot but seems to like me okay. Damn. Wrong universe again."If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads." Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.-Terence
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 274 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
NoNukes
I imagined it. What was your point. I understand the situation but fail to see the problem. RegardsDL
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 274 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
Blue Jay
Not if you are one of the women. Then you would just hope for success. RegardsDL
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 274 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
Omnivorous
Then the oppressed would hear you cheering for the oppressors twice as much. How nice for you. RegardsDL
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 274 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
Bliyaal
Exactly my point. So should Muslim women have the right to not wear what they do not want. Whose right should be enforced? Should we consider the oppressed less than the free? RegardsDL
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 274 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
ringo
Yes. I will show the hardest line I can against the oppression of women and the signs of slavery I see in Canada. RegardsDL
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 274 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
ringo
I cannot do much for private abuses but can certainly do something to change the attitudes of Muslim men in public. It sure beats doing what you want. Nothing for women. Just let the oppression ride. "First they came for the Jews, but I did nothing because I'm not a Jew. Then they came for the socialists, but I did nothing because I'm not a socialist. Then they came for the Catholics, but I did nothing because I'm not a Catholic. Finally, they came for me, but by then there was no one left to help me." — Pastor Father Niemoller (1946) RegardsDL RegardsDL
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Bliyaal Member (Idle past 2368 days) Posts: 171 From: Quebec City, Qc, Canada Joined:
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Consider you wish granted because you know what? They arleady have the right to wear it (niqab, hijab, burka) or not. It's their choice.
What do you want to change again?
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3978 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 7.3
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Omnivorous writes: Omnivorous Then the oppressed would hear you cheering for the oppressors twice as much. How nice for you. They would hear me cheering twice as loud for their right to decide for themselves. You'd be surprised how sweet that sounds to someone usually only offered a choice of masters. And from you they would hear only their marching orders. Liberty is not "the freedom to obey"* someone else. What they ought to hear from other Canadians is how to engage the law in protecting their rights and welfare. Those laws exist. Instead of promoting access to those laws by Muslim women, you want to give their men (and the women's right to choose for themselves) a great big slap in the face, leaving the men even more alienated and the women more vulnerable. How nice for you. Once you've accomplished that, you can forbid Haredi Jewish women from covering their hair with wigs, Orthodox Christian and Eastern Catholic nuns from wearing apostolniks, and Episcopalian women from wearing their hats to church. You'll be shocked to know that high school girls throughout North America are prevented from wearing the halter tops and short-shorts they favor to school. And in gym class, unlike the boys, they can't take off their shirts when it gets hot! Let's wake up all oppressive North American men and free those breasts! A lot of girls might not like it, but there are principles involved that are more important than their modesty or preferences. You've got a life-time of telling women what to do ahead of you. I'm surpised you have the time to lie to us. By the way, as a technical side-note, because I like to study alternative realities: When you are accused of lying about thousands of Muslim honor killings in Canada, do you figure lies or insults are the most effective reply? ______________________*Green Day rocks! "If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads." Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.-Terence
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Blue Jay Member (Idle past 2698 days) Posts: 2843 From: You couldn't pronounce it with your mouthparts Joined:
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Hi, GIA.
GIA writes: Not if you are one of the women. Then you would just hope for success. Again, you're trying to manipulate me and/or any other readers by playing on my emotions and inducing a guilt trip. You seem to be under the impression that anybody who opposes you must not care about Muslim women. What you need to recognize is that you are not being opposed because your opposition are heartless and don't care about Muslim women. You are being opposed because your way of dealing with the problem has major flaws:
I maintain that the only thing we are likely to gain from this legislation is the warm (and probably wrong) feeling that we have embraced and supported a social cause. Unfortunately, since this feeling is highly likely to be inaccurate, we'll probably have only made the situation worse by convincing ourselves we've done something meaningful when we haven't. Edited by Blue Jay, : No reason given. Edited by Blue Jay, : Minor edits.-Blue Jay, Ph.D.* *Yeah, it's real Darwin loves you.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Greatest I am writes:
Are you being deliberately evasive? I asked you to show that there is a large majority in Canada that would outlaw the hijab, as you claimed in the OP.
Yes. I will show the hardest line I can against the oppression of women and the signs of slavery I see in Canada.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Greatest I am writes:
What does that accomplish? Forcing Muslim men to make a pretense of equality in public is likely to make some of them more oppressive in private, not less.
I cannot do much for private abuses but can certainly do something to change the attitudes of Muslim men in public. Greatest I am writes:
But you're saying that "they" SHOULD be coming for the Muslims. YOU are the one who's advocating suppression of a minority by outlawing their cultural practices.
"First they came for the Jews, but I did nothing because I'm not a Jew. Then they came for the socialists, but I did nothing because I'm not a socialist. Then they came for the Catholics, but I did nothing because I'm not a Catholic. Finally, they came for me, but by then there was no one left to help me." — Pastor Father Niemoller (1946)
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 274 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
Bliyaal
"Consider you wish granted because you know what? They arleady have the right to wear it (niqab, hijab, burka) or not. It's their choice." Was it the choice of these girls? 2002 Mecca girls' school fire - Wikipedia Repeat your statement and show us all how well you can think. RegardsDL
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 274 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
Omnivorous
"They would hear me cheering twice as loud for their right to decide for themselves." 2002 Mecca girls' school fire - Wikipedia Did these girls decide to die by themselves? Or did their masters force them to do so? RegardsDL
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