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ringo
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Message 136 of 237 (774769)
12-22-2015 11:17 AM
Reply to: Message 135 by Faith
12-22-2015 10:56 AM


Re: Beware of the Islamic Principle of Taquiya
Faith writes:
Behavior can lie, too. What if it turns out to be lying?
By their fruits ye shall know them. Do you really think all of those nice Muslims could turn into the raving maniacs you portray overnight without anybody noticing?
As I said, the world would be a better place if people were nicer, even if they were only "pretending".
Faith writes:
Besides, "polite, friendly, good citizens" probably describes most of your fellow Canadians, no? There's nothing "Christ-like" about such ordinary expected behavior.
Ever hear of the Sermon on the Mount?

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Message 137 of 237 (774779)
12-22-2015 12:44 PM
Reply to: Message 136 by ringo
12-22-2015 11:17 AM


Re: Beware of the Islamic Principle of Taquiya
By their fruits ye shall know them. Do you really think all of those nice Muslims could turn into the raving maniacs you portray overnight without anybody noticing?
For one thing the terrorists are not raving maniacs, they are people who are persuaded that Allah wants them to kill "infidels." For another, don't we hear all the time about this or that killer that nobody would ever have guessed it of such a nice quiet polite thoughtful person?
In my experience people tend to be very nice in general so I don't know what you are talking about.
As for the Sermon on the Mount, how that applies to this is so beyond me I'm speechless.

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Message 138 of 237 (774785)
12-22-2015 1:53 PM
Reply to: Message 133 by Faith
12-22-2015 4:28 AM


Re: Beware of the Islamic Principle of Taquiya
So the actual text is meaningless? Non islamic interpretations are more accurate about the actual meaning?
So should the christian religious texts be interpreted by nonchristians to ascertain their meaning?
Read the actual text of those passages and explain how you come to the conclusions of meaning that you do?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 139 of 237 (774787)
12-22-2015 2:03 PM


Moderator Request to Concentrate on the Topic
I think recent discussion has drifted off the topic. The topic is not whether Islam is a religion of violence. It's about the importance we should assign to keeping the US and the countries of Europe as majority Caucasian countries. From the opening post:
Our politicians are trying to maintain our populations through immigration and as we can see in Europe, this is not doing the white race any good at all.
...
Why are white governments not promoting more white births instead of more immigration?
Why are white people not fighting the trends that are making us a quickly disappearing race?
Are whites so self-centered that we will eventually all loose our countries to those of other colors?
In the last sentence, I think Greatest I Am meant "selfless," not "self-centered."
A more appropriate thread for discussing whether Islam is a religion of violence might be Should Canada and the U.S. tolerate an intolerant Islam?. Please, in this thread, let's return to discussion of the topic.

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Message 140 of 237 (774792)
12-22-2015 3:32 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Greatest I am
12-10-2015 8:52 PM


GIA writes:
It seems to me, if I was a politician, my war cry, if you will, would be for my white constituents to pull up their socks, pull off their birth control devices, and do their duty to the white race by reproducing more. While at the same time, I would tax those who do not contribute babies that much more than those who do reproduce and basically transfer those funds to help those who are producing babies in a more generous way so as to encourage those parents to have and be able to afford more babies.
That raises questions.
Would only white folks be subject to the failure-to-reproduce tax? Or would all races have to contribute to promoting white babies? How white do they have to be--would an "octaroon's" worth of non-white ancestry be okay, or do we need several generations of documented purity?
Most human genetic variation is found within populations, not between them. Wouldn't it be easier and cheaper to find some way to bleach babies?

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."
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Message 141 of 237 (774794)
12-22-2015 4:10 PM
Reply to: Message 140 by Omnivorous
12-22-2015 3:32 PM


Wouldn't it be easier and cheaper to find some way to bleach babies?
I'd photoshop them.

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Message 142 of 237 (774795)
12-22-2015 4:24 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by Greatest I am
12-12-2015 1:58 PM


I do not think it racist for a predominantly white country to try to retain it's ethnic or racial identity.
Regardless, the policies you proposed in the OP to achieve this end are racist.
I did not think it racist when Quebec and other governments give incentives to it's citizens to reproduce more.
Is Quebec only incentivizing white people?

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Message 143 of 237 (774797)
12-22-2015 4:57 PM
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12-10-2015 8:52 PM


It seems to me, if I was a politician, my war cry, if you will, would be for my white constituents to pull up their socks, pull off their birth control devices, and do their duty to the white race by reproducing more. While at the same time, I would tax those who do not contribute babies that much more than those who do reproduce and basically transfer those funds to help those who are producing babies in a more generous way so as to encourage those parents to have and be able to afford more babies.
How would you evaluate the whiteness of said babies? would a government department of racial purity be established?

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Message 144 of 237 (774805)
12-22-2015 11:24 PM
Reply to: Message 143 by DrJones*
12-22-2015 4:57 PM


It would be easy. The ones wearing a colored star are not white. As long as everyone in your family for the last 3 generations did not wear a colored star you are in.
Virginia solved the issue easily with the Racial Integrity Act of 1924. First, you simplify and make it clear there are two races, White and Colored. No Indians, Native Americans, Blacks, Polynesians, Mexicans, Pakistanis; just White and Colored.
It really is that easy.
Oh, and Lena Horn is White (Egyptian) of course.
Edited by jar, : fix sin tax

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Message 145 of 237 (774833)
12-23-2015 2:22 PM
Reply to: Message 137 by Faith
12-22-2015 12:44 PM


Re: Beware of the Islamic Principle of Taquiya
Faith writes:
For one thing the terrorists are not raving maniacs...
Congratulations. There may be hope for you yet.
Faith writes:
... they are people who are persuaded that Allah wants them to kill "infidels."
And you think they're going to be nice, polite Canadians until they suddenly stab us in the back?
Or maybe they really are nice, polite Canadians.
Faith writes:
... don't we hear all the time about this or that killer that nobody would ever have guessed it of such a nice quiet polite thoughtful person?
A few individuals can fool us, so you assume that an entire group of people is fooling us?
Faith writes:
In my experience people tend to be very nice in general so I don't know what you are talking about.
What I'm saying is that by their fruits ye shall know them. If people are loving, joyful, peaceful, longsuffering, gentle, good, faithful, meek and temperant, what are you complaining about?
Faith writes:
As for the Sermon on the Mount, how that applies to this is so beyond me I'm speechless.
In Message 135 you said:
quote:
Besides, "polite, friendly, good citizens" probably describes most of your fellow Canadians, no? There's nothing "Christ-like" about such ordinary expected behavior.
That's exactly the behaviour that Christ prescribed in the Sermon on the Mount.

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Message 146 of 237 (774835)
12-23-2015 2:26 PM
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12-23-2015 2:22 PM


Re: Beware of the Islamic Principle of Taquiya
I think you've confused the Sermon on the Mount with some other part of scripture.
And yes your peaceful Muslim friends COULD suddenly stab you in the back if things reach a point where they feel it's time to obey Allah on that point.
There's nothing more to say about this, is there? I hope you're right but I suspect you may find out you're not.

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Message 147 of 237 (774836)
12-23-2015 2:31 PM
Reply to: Message 146 by Faith
12-23-2015 2:26 PM


Re: Beware of the Islamic Principle of Taquiya
Faith writes:
I think you've confused the Sermon on the Mount with some other part of scripture.
Apparently you've never read it, so here's part of it:
quote:
Matthew 5:3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted. Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth. Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled. Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy. Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God. Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God. Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.
Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth. That's what we've been talking about.
Faith writes:
And yes your peaceful Muslim friends COULD suddenly stab you in the back if things reach a point where they feel it's time to obey Allah on that point.
I trust Muslim Canadians much farther than I trust Christian Americans.

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Message 148 of 237 (774845)
12-23-2015 4:09 PM
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12-23-2015 2:31 PM


Re: Beware of the Islamic Principle of Taquiya
That's the Beatitudes, and what you'd quoted before didn't even sound like the Beatitudes. What you were referring to before was Paul's list of the fruits of the Spirit, not the same thing. Whatever, it doesn't really matter because you are really only concerned to say you like Muslims better than Christians so we can leave it at that.
I trust Muslim Canadians much farther than I trust Christian Americans.
Obviously. As I said, I hope you are right to trust them, but even a slight knowledge of what Islam teaches should give you pause.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 149 of 237 (774849)
12-23-2015 4:32 PM


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From the Wikipedia entry on The Sermon on the Mount:
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The Sermon on the Mount...is the longest piece of teaching from Jesus in the New Testament, and has been one of the most widely quoted elements of the Canonical Gospels. It includes some of the best known teachings of Jesus, such as the Beatitudes,...

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Message 150 of 237 (774850)
12-23-2015 4:34 PM
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Re: Moderator Provided Information
OK, though I never think of it as part of the Sermon on the Mount myself. In any case ringo was still wrong: he was not referring to the Sermon on the Mount at any point, including the Beatitudes. The only part of it he could muster was the line about meekness, but that isn't what he was talking about before.
ABE: From his Message 145:
What I'm saying is that by their fruits ye shall know them. If people are loving, joyful, peaceful, longsuffering, gentle, good, faithful, meek and temperant, what are you complaining about?
That list is from Paul's list of the fruits of the Spirit in Galatians 5:22-23:
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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