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Author Topic:   Help me understand Intelligent Design (part 2)
Steiner62
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Message 16 of 173 (255578)
10-30-2005 1:22 AM
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10-29-2005 9:15 PM


Re: No one believes intelligent design?
Hee hee. I think this is worth the price of admission already, lol. Yea, my Avatar poped up abut a minute after I typed that it had'nt yet...
I'm impressed how ure able to frame a question posed in that nice blue box...hmmm, wonder how it's done (next time I see this comment no doubt it will be inside a nice blue rectangle1
I see ure a Teacher, nice. It must feel like you are on thge intellectual forward trences right now in the War on Terrorble Creationist Myths & Lies...what is it about American society that has so many well educated people (in some cases anyway) buying into the stinking pile of shite called ID? ( I can't bring myself to spell it out in full as "intelligent" & "design" are two perfectly reasonable words under normal circumstances). All those Bible Bashing Surrender Monkeys should be forced to read Prof. Richard Dawkins new meisterwerk, "The Ancestor's Tale" under pain of DEATH! By the way nwr, do IDiots ever type tripe in any of these Forums? Hope so, I wanna verbal riot!
Please accept my humble apologies for casting aspertions on your POTUS. OK, I'm off to count all these Iraqi Weapons of Mass Destruction that mysteriously parachuted into my garden during the night...
Ps. I DID assume Geneva was a suberb of Greater Chicago, but thanks for clarifying it anyway nwr...& Happy Halloween
Yours In Evolution...
Pinko Liberal European aka Steiner62
(hope the CIA are'nt monitering this, I was only joking about the WMD's, no really...

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Steiner62
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Message 17 of 173 (255580)
10-30-2005 1:34 AM
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10-29-2005 9:15 PM


Re: No one believes intelligent design?
Hee hee. I think this is worth the price of admission already, lol. Yea, my Avatar poped up about a minute after I typed that it had'nt done it yet...
I'm impressed how you're able to frame a question posed in that nice blue box...hmmm, wonder how it's done (next time I see this comment no doubt it will be inside a nice blue rectangle)
I see you're a Teacher, nice. It must feel like you are in the intellectual forward trences right now in the War on Terrorble Creationist Myths & Lies.What IS it about American society that has so many well educated people (in some cases anyway) buying into the stinking pile of poo poos called ID? (I can't bring myself to spell it out in full as "intelligent" & "design" are two perfectly reasonable words under normal circumstances). All those Bible Bashing Surrender to Reason Monkeys should be forced against thier will to read Prof. Richard Dawkins new meisterwerk, "The Ancestor's Tale"! By the way nwr, do IDiots ever type tripe in any of these Forums? Hope so, I wanna verbal riot!
Please accept my humble apologies for casting aspertions on your POTUS. OK, I'm off to count all these Weapons of Mass Destruction helpfully labelled "Made In Iraq", that mysteriously parachuted into my garden during the night...
Ps. I DID assume Geneva was a suberb of Greater Chicago, but thanks for clarifying it anyway nwr...& Happy Halloween!
Yours In Evolution...
Pinko Liberal European aka Steiner62
(hope the CIA are'nt monitoring this, I was only joking about the WMD's, no really...please I wanna visit the States again sometime...

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Steiner62
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Message 18 of 173 (255581)
10-30-2005 1:40 AM
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10-29-2005 9:15 PM


Re: No one believes intelligent design?
Hee hee. I think this is worth the price of admission already, lol. Yea, my Avatar poped up about a minute after I typed that it had'nt done it yet...
I'm impressed how you're able to frame a question posed in that nice blue box...hmmm, wonder how it's done (next time I see this comment no doubt it will be inside a nice blue rectangle)
I see you're a Teacher, nice. It must feel like you are in the intellectual forward trences right now in the War on Terrorble Creationist Myths & Lies.What IS it about American society that has so many well educated people (in some cases anyway) buying into the stinking pile of poo poos called ID? (I can't bring myself to spell it out in full as "intelligent" & "design" are two perfectly reasonable words under normal circumstances). All those Bible Bashing Surrender to Reason Monkeys should be forced against thier will to read Prof. Richard Dawkins new meisterwerk, "The Ancestor's Tale"! By the way nwr, do IDiots ever type tripe in any of these Forums? Hope so, I wanna verbal riot!
Please accept my humble apologies for casting aspertions on your POTUS. OK, I'm off to count all these Weapons of Mass Destruction helpfully labelled "Made In Iraq", that mysteriously parachuted into my garden during the night...
Ps. I DID assume Geneva was a suberb of Greater Chicago, but thanks for clarifying it anyway nwr...& Happy Halloween!
Yours In Evolution...
Pinko Liberal European aka Steiner62
(hope the CIA are'nt monitoring this, look, I was joking, no really...

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Message 19 of 173 (255601)
10-30-2005 9:07 AM
Reply to: Message 18 by Steiner62
10-30-2005 1:40 AM


W e l c o m e !
HI Steiner,
Welcome to EvC.
I'm impressed how you're able to frame a question posed in that nice blue box...hmmm, wonder how it's done (next time I see this comment no doubt it will be inside a nice blue rectangle)
If you see anything in a post you want to emulate (like intelligent, rational discussion ) click the "peek" button on the lower right of the post you like. That will show you the raw text the individual typed.
When you are editing your post there is a dBCodes On(help) link to the left of the entry window. That has the list of things that you can do. There is also regular HTML possible.

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nwr
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Message 20 of 173 (255617)
10-30-2005 10:32 AM
Reply to: Message 18 by Steiner62
10-30-2005 1:40 AM


Re: No one believes intelligent design?
wonder how it's done
That was done as
[qs]wonder how it's done[/qs]
I see you're a Teacher, nice. It must feel like you are in the intellectual forward trences right now in the War on Terrorble Creationist Myths & Lies.
I teach computer science, not evolution. There aren't any cultural controversies in computer science, as far as I know.
What IS it about American society that ...
You can find the same problem in other societies, although it is more pronounced here. I'm not sure why, but I suspect that it has to do with American traditions of freedom of the press, skepticism of government, money (for advertising), etc. We all know that America is a highly religious nation. And the God that Americans most worship is the almighty dollar.
do IDiots ever type tripe in any of these Forums?
ID proponents do debate here.

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iano
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From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland.
Joined: 07-27-2005


Message 21 of 173 (260190)
11-16-2005 9:28 AM
Reply to: Message 14 by Steiner62
10-29-2005 9:01 PM


Re: No one believes intelligent design?
Hi Steiner. Welcome to EvC....
Steiner writes:
I can have a crack at some dumb Republican God Fearing ID fans sometime soon
Living in Bray myself I haven't the dubious privilege of being a Republican. Not being all that scientific so I can't say I have much of a view on ID. But if it's the God-fearers you want to have a crack at...
iano

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Ragged
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Message 22 of 173 (260636)
11-17-2005 3:54 PM


Back on topic.
From what I have read it seems that ID is a combination of Evolution and Creation. God (Intelligent being) did not actually create earth, animals and people in 7 days. God did come up with evolution to do the same thing in 100mln years, instead. There are a lot of constrains and limitations and uncertainties, but a no evidence to prove or disprove it.
Can someone please explain what ID actually postulates? Several people, talked about ID and its implications without ever mentioning the actual theory. Or was I supposed to know about ID before clicking on this thread? Thanks.

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PurpleYouko
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Message 23 of 173 (260874)
11-18-2005 9:04 AM
Reply to: Message 22 by Ragged
11-17-2005 3:54 PM


Re: Back on topic.
Ragged writes:
Can someone please explain what ID actually postulates? Several people, talked about ID and its implications without ever mentioning the actual theory. Or was I supposed to know about ID before clicking on this thread? Thanks.
Hi Ragged
I seriously doubt that anyone will ever be able to tell you exactly what ID postulates because nobody knows. That is the heart of the problem. There is no difined postulation for ID. Every ID proponent you talk to has their own unique ideas about it and most of them directly contradict each other.

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Message 24 of 173 (260920)
11-18-2005 11:16 AM
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11-18-2005 9:04 AM


Phi's concise Theory of Intelligent Design
About 13 or so billion years ago some Intelligent entity farted and time/space and matter unfolded into what we call the big bang.The Intelligent farter designed the program to run so that the expansion of all this space/time/matter would through 11dimentions and 4 fundelmental forces ensure a program that would be eternal and ever recycling caos to order and back to caos. Randomness and order. Eventually the cooling of the cosmos condensed into heavier elements that formed collections of gas clouds that condensed into stars. These stars eventually through the process of nuclear fusion converted H into He and the by product was light and heat.
Stars nova, more dense elements, asteroids, planets, moons, and wizzing around through it all comets containing a multitude of organic chemicals seed a small sterile planet with lots of H2O on it process these compounds into amino acids then rna and then dna then life. Some odd 8.5 billion years later some silly nuerotic apes sit around typing on computers mulling it all over.

"One is punished most for ones virtues" Fredrick Neitzche

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PurpleYouko
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Message 25 of 173 (260921)
11-18-2005 11:23 AM
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11-18-2005 11:16 AM


Re: Phi's concise Theory of Intelligent Design
Damn!
And I thought the whole kaboodle was sneezed out of the nose of a being known as the Great Green Arkleseizure!
Haven't you ever seen the Arkleseizurians spreading pamphlets outlining a time that they call "The coming of the great white hand-kerchief"?
Apparently we are all doomed when it happens.
(Concept shamelessly borrowed from "the HitchHiker's Guide to the Galaxy", our one and only source of TRUE wisdom)

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Ragged
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Message 26 of 173 (260957)
11-18-2005 1:19 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by PurpleYouko
11-18-2005 9:04 AM


Re: Back on topic.
PurpleYouko writes:
I seriously doubt that anyone will ever be able to tell you exactly what ID postulates because nobody knows. That is the heart of the problem. There is no difined postulation for ID. Every ID proponent you talk to has their own unique ideas about it and most of them directly contradict each other.
LMAO. So its either you support:
a) Creation
b) Evolution
c) Other (AKA ID)

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PurpleYouko
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Message 27 of 173 (260958)
11-18-2005 1:24 PM
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11-18-2005 1:19 PM


Re: Back on topic.
LMAO. So its either you support:
a) Creation
b) Evolution
c) Other (AKA ID)
That would about sum it up.
Views on ID that I have come up against range from something indistinguishable from 6 day creationism, up to and including a theory that the Human Race might well be the result of microbial contamination on the boots of an alien race who explored the universe eons ago.
Once they come up with a coherent theory, I just hope they will let us know.
Think we are in for a long wait though.

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robinrohan
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Message 28 of 173 (260960)
11-18-2005 1:26 PM
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11-18-2005 1:19 PM


Re: Back on topic.
c) Other (AKA ID)
I was under the impression that the basic beleif of ID is that life forms are so subtly designed and so exquisite that they could not have evolved by random mutations but had to be the work of some God-like creature or even God.

"Turning out pigs for creationists makes me blue and blurry."--Brad McFall

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PurpleYouko
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Message 29 of 173 (261374)
11-19-2005 8:38 PM
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11-18-2005 1:26 PM


Re: Back on topic.
I was under the impression that the basic beleif of ID is that life forms are so subtly designed and so exquisite that they could not have evolved by random mutations but had to be the work of some God-like creature or even God.
That would appear to be one of the more common versions.

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joshua221 
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Message 30 of 173 (261408)
11-19-2005 11:08 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Nuggin
10-25-2005 3:34 AM


Here we go again...
Why can't you post a topic with an original belief of your own, and why you believe it.
Your posts all rely on creationists to come foward to answer "trap" questions.

well sure as planets come, i know that they end
and if i'm here when they happens, will you promise me this my friend?
please bury me with it
i just don't need none of that mad max bullshit

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