Childhood Vaccinations – Necessary or Overkill? Sequal Thread

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I'm not an evolution expert.

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Neither am I.You have, however, been hanging around here for something close to three and a half years, and you say you aren't a Creationist, so I thought it reasonable to figure that you would have learned the basics of the theory by now.I apologize for presuming such a thing. Now that you have the answer to your question, though, how do you think it affects the argument against vaccination?Edited by nator, : No reason given.

Interpreting this as an expression of frustration, I do think you're getting insufficient recognition of your desire to objectively approach these issues, It may be because those of us on the other side of the issue have had our hackles raised by LindaLou's repetitive, passive-aggressive, conspiracy-laden, ad hominem approach to discussion, and you're maybe catching some of the backwash.To the other participants in this thread: maybe we can take a step back and be more constructive as the discussion moves on. While I don't agree with PD's position, it does seem to me that she's been pretty fair and balanced with us.As long as I've already mentioned LindaLou, I may as well continue talking behind her back. Taking the story she gave us at face value, I wonder if her incredibly negative experience at the hands of traditional medicine might have been in any way driven by her rigidity and inability to consider possibilities outside a narrow range. Doctors might have found her an incredibly difficult partner with whom to work with in developing effective approaches.--Percy

I know, you're gonna call this "anecdotal" evidence and dismiss it. But what can you say about this claimed connection between autism and vaccinations. That link is not the only one, and it may have been cited before on this thread; I haven't checked.If you want to go get vaccinated for the flu or whatever, go ahead. But I won't. I won't even get vaccinated for the bird flu when flies in makes big $$$ for Big Pharm. But go ahead and let the med-pharm complex screw around with your immune system if you want to. Good luck and good health.”HM

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To the other participants in this thread: maybe we can take a step back and be more constructive as the discussion moves on. While I don't agree with PD's position, it does seem to me that she's been pretty fair and balanced with us.

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On the one hand, yes, but on the other, no.

I'd say there is a whole lot of claim and no way of judging its credibility. There are many very technical assertions and without knowing where they come from, i.e. what research they are based on, it is very hard to evaluate their worth.TTFN,WK

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I know, you're gonna call this "anecdotal" evidence and dismiss it. But what can you say about this claimed connection between autism and vaccinations. That link is not the only one, and it may have been cited before on this thread; I haven't checked.

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The article doesn't reference any peer-reviewed science, so there's no way to check up on the the claims.Anecdotal evidence of this sort is dismissed becasue it is worthless. At best, it can be a spur to doing real research. That real research has been done, and no link has been found.

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If you want to go get vaccinated for the flu or whatever, go ahead. But I won't. I won't even get vaccinated for the bird flu when flies in makes big $$$ for Big Pharm. But go ahead and let the med-pharm complex screw around with your immune system if you want to. Good luck and good health.

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If terrorists detonated a dirty bomb that started a smallpox epidemic, would you rather get the vaccine, which involves some risk, or risk getting this disease?: Edited by nator, : No reason given.

When was the last time you heard of a Hep B vaccine shortage?Flu vaccine, yes. Hep B?C'mon, PD. I also can't say with 100% accuracy that I know why gravity exists. (Noone knows.) But I don't spend my time worrying about it.Look. PD.It is a fact (as best as science can determine a fact) that thimerosal does NOT cause autism.It is also a fact that there is no thimerosal in the vaccines given to newborns.Therefore, genetic susceptibility is not an issue.The diagnosis rate of autism has remained steady (or slightly increased) since the removal of thimerosal from vaccines.No thimerosal = steady rate of autism diagnoses.Are you suggesting that a Hep B shortage is responsible for this?Edited by molbiogirl, : No reason given.

Two things.One. Thimerosal has been in vaccines since 1928.
Two. The rate of autism disgnosis has risen dramatically since it was recognized in 1943.Why didn't autism rates skyrocket between 1943 and 1978 (the site you linked to said 1/10,000 in 1978 and 1/700 now)?I will give you my best answer:It wasn't until the late 1960s when autism was defined as separate from "infantile schizophrenia".The rate of diagnosis started to go up.And the rate has continued to climb ever since.And, yes, you're right.The site you linked to is entirely anecdotal.Look. I played with mercury in my dad's dental lab when I was a kid.As a grad student, I have a 4.0 and got my undergraduates degrees (all 3 of them) magna cum laude.So that's one anecdote for and one against.Anecdotal info is worse than useless.In the case of vaccines, it's dangerous. And deadly.

I downloaded a 215 page document from the NIH and posted a lot of the technical info earlier. Message 67You can take a gander at the nitty gritty if you'd like:The page you’re looking for isn’t available | NIH: National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases

The data given such as what Hoot cited should in itself be sufficient enough to back off from pumping multiple questionable chemicals into babies at a crucial stage of development, especially when you apply the logic to the stats which implicate vaccinations with autism.When these babies are administered chemicals foreign to the natural body ecosystem, crucial vitamins and other nutrients are diminished which must go to work combating these chemicals. It just doesn't make logical science sense.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past.

you got really, really lucky? or were really, really careful?

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This statement is false.Yeah so i lurk more than i post, thats why my posts are so low for two year's worth of membership. So sue me.

Growing up mercury was a favorite play toy. Everyone loved it and almost everybody had some. We would rub pennies in it and drop it on the floor then work the drops back together again, squeeze it between our fingers, just generally have fun with it.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

It would depend on how many shots were administered per capita in the years beginning 1928 all the way until the present, at what ages the shots were administered, when did they begin shooting multiple shots into 18 month children etc, etc. My understanding is that the incidence of autism began to spike up relative to the increase in vaccinating, especially with young children. My understanding is that there has been a steady rise in the numbers of new vaccinations administered which are likely several dozen by the time they're in kindegarten.The more the pharm fatcats can invent to pump into the kiddies the more the $$$ for them, the researchers and the docs who administer them which imo is the bottom line. The $$$ are significant enough to trump the safety factor. Had all this expense and effort been concentrated on prevention, health education, whole body health and safe natural remedies to disease, we would all be sooo much better off.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past.

1. We all did that back then when it was not known how dangerous it can be. We did likely have reactions but didn't know it was the mercury that gave us the headache, flu, hay fever or whatever.2. Which is more dangerous, handling it with your fingers on relatively rare occasions or having it pumped into your blood multiple times during your developing years as a child by a doc and packing it into your mouth by a dentist?

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past.

Playing with it, without a doubt. The latter is not even close and simply nothing to worry about.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion