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LudoRephaim
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Message 1 of 33 (476383)
07-23-2008 11:45 AM


Recently the radio shock jock Michael Savage made the statement that autism was a fraud and that most autistic children were brats who needed to be repremanded (sometimes physically) by their fathers.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,387662,00.html
Considering the junk I have had to deal with due to my autism as well as those of others and the facts about autism (seemingly ignored by numerous people), I conclude that Michael Savage doesn't know anything about medical science, legit science, or the experiences of the autistic. I have been very steamed at what he has stated, but I am trying to control what I write about the man; as a Christian I dont want to go into a viscious verbal assault on him.
The question I have for EVC bloggers is where do they stand on this issue? What do they believe? And how severe is the ignorance of Autism in this nation?
Edited by LudoRephaim, : No reason given.
Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Put upper case "S" into "savage" in topic title an elsewhere. Fixed a bunch of "I" while I was at it.

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Message 2 of 33 (476437)
07-23-2008 9:00 PM


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ramoss
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Message 3 of 33 (476441)
07-23-2008 9:46 PM
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07-23-2008 11:45 AM


I would say that there is a high amount of ignorence on the subject. I only have a smattering of knowledge about it, mainly due to the fact I have several friends with autistic children, and I looked things up for them. I would say that Michael Savage is rude, crude and socially unacceptable. I would not want him to child sit anybody, or even take care of pets.

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Buzsaw
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Message 4 of 33 (476442)
07-23-2008 10:13 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by LudoRephaim
07-23-2008 11:45 AM


Savage Is Not A Savage
LudoRephaim writes:
Recently the radio shock jock Michael savage made the statement that autism was a fraud and that most autistic children were brats who needed to be repremanded (sometimes physically) by their fathers.
I heard the Savage show on autism live. Several times during the show he stated that there were legitimate autism cases but too often school officials who do not have medical credentials are diagnosing troubled children as autistic and committing them to drug and social services programs that are not in the best interest of the children and their families.
Twice during two different shows there were case workers who called into the show and wholeheartedly confirmed Savage's concerns.

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Message 5 of 33 (476444)
07-23-2008 10:30 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by LudoRephaim
07-23-2008 11:45 AM


quote:
My comments about autism were meant to boldly awaken parents and children to the medical community's attempt to label too many children or adults as "autistic."
Just as some drug companies have overdiagnosed "ADD" and "ADHD" to peddle dangerous speed-like drugs to children as young as 4 years of age, this cartel of doctors and drug companies is now creating a national panic by overdiagnosing "autism, for which there is no definitive medical diagnosis!
Many children are being victimized by being diagnosed with an "illness" which may not exist, in all cases. Just a few weeks ago doctors recommended dangerous anti-cholesterol drugs for children as young as 2 years of age! Without any scientific studies on the possible dangers of such drugs on children, corrupt doctors made this controversial, unscientific recommendation.
Increasingly, our children are being used as profit centers by a greedy, corrupt medical/pharmaceutical establishment. As the brother of a severely disabled person who suffered and died in a New York "snake-pit" of a "mental hospital," I know first-hand what true disability is.
To permit greedy doctors to include children in medical categories which may not be appropriate is a crime against that child and their family. Let the truly autistic be treated. Let the falsely diagnosed be free.
Michael Savage
Source = http://michaelsavage.wnd.com/?pageId=1126
To Buzsaw: Savage actually a Weiner. For some reason he chose the pseudonym "Savage" . Source
Moose
Edited by Minnemooseus, : Add smiley.

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Jazzns
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Message 6 of 33 (476451)
07-23-2008 11:34 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by Buzsaw
07-23-2008 10:13 PM


Re: Savage Is Not A Savage
I heard the Savage show on autism live. Several times during the show he stated that there were legitimate autism cases but too often school officials who do not have medical credentials are diagnosing troubled children as autistic and committing them to drug and social services programs that are not in the best interest of the children and their families.
My wife works in school providing therapy for autistic children. I don't know how it is in other states but in NM you have to be certified with ASD before you can receive any state services.
The biggest problem that the therapists have are getting the kids who need treatment through all the red tape so that they can start getting services and stop floundering in school. Autism is not being diagnosed willy nilly and often children who are autistic are diagnosed too late to allow therapy to be most effective.
Everything that Michael Savage said was almost word for word the opposite of reality.
Twice during two different shows there were case workers who called into the show and wholeheartedly confirmed Savage's concerns.
Case workers are not therapists. They do not make the determination if a child is autistic. A case manager is supposed to handle the best interests of a child and I would question both the intelligence and ethics of anyone claiming to be a case manager who would expose themselves to Michael Savage.
Edited by Jazzns, : No reason given.

Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 7 of 33 (476456)
07-23-2008 11:50 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by LudoRephaim
07-23-2008 11:45 AM


Asbergers
Recently the radio shock jock Michael savage made the statement that autism was a fraud and that most autistic children were brats who needed to be repremanded (sometimes physically) by their fathers.
What an idiotic thing to say. While I agree that as of late, there is this big focus placed on autism, but that does not mean there is not a legitimate basis for it. Savage sounds like... well... a savage.
I have a co-worker who I strongly suspect has Aspergers Syndrome. The brass at my command has systematically tried to get him kicked out of the Coast Guard. While I agree that he should have been turned away initially, the reality is that he slipped underneath the radar and he is in now, and has done just fine for almost 8 years now.
He does not have what it takes to ever be in a position of leadership, and he understands that. However, he is one of my armorers and he does an exceptionally good job. He is extremely proficient at what he does, and is pretty much a walking encyclopedia when it comes to small arms.
He is fine with not advancing further than his current rank. He understands that his condition precludes him from advancing. But if he is content on finishing his tour at his current rank, why not let him do just that? His condition is not that much of a problem. And it pisses me off that the command has tried to blackball him and make him jump through ridiculous hoops in an obvious attempt to get rid of him. Its b.s. and it needs to stop.

“I know where I am and who I am. I'm on the brink of disillusionment, on the eve of bitter sweet. I'm perpetually one step away from either collapse or rebirth. I am exactly where I need to be. Either way I go towards rebirth, for a total collapse often brings a rebirth." -Andrew Jaramillo

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 8 of 33 (476457)
07-23-2008 11:53 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by Buzsaw
07-23-2008 10:13 PM


Re: Savage Is Not A Savage
Twice during two different shows there were case workers who called into the show and wholeheartedly confirmed Savage's concerns.
Well, I trust your judgment over the media's any day of the week. I should have known they would manipulate anything in order to invent a story out of nothing. So I will tentatively retract my previous statement. Thanks for clarifying, brother

“I know where I am and who I am. I'm on the brink of disillusionment, on the eve of bitter sweet. I'm perpetually one step away from either collapse or rebirth. I am exactly where I need to be. Either way I go towards rebirth, for a total collapse often brings a rebirth." -Andrew Jaramillo

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petrophysics1
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Message 9 of 33 (476490)
07-24-2008 9:08 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by Jazzns
07-23-2008 11:34 PM


Re: Savage Is Not A Savage
Buzsaw writes:
I heard the Savage show on autism live. Several times during the show he stated that there were legitimate autism cases but too often school officials who do not have medical credentials are diagnosing troubled children as autistic and committing them to drug and social services programs that are not in the best interest of the children and their families.
jazzns writes:
My wife works in school providing therapy for autistic children.
Thanks for letting me know you and your wife have a financial interest in having children declared autistic.
I'll keep it in mind when I read your blind assertions.
Edited by petrophysics, : No reason given.

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Jazzns
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Message 10 of 33 (476493)
07-24-2008 9:27 AM
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07-24-2008 9:08 AM


Re: Savage Is Not A Savage - You are!
Thanks for letting me know you and your wife have a financial interest in having children declared autistic.
I'll keep it in mind when I read your blind assertions.
My wife is a speech pathologist. She could have MORE clients if she didn't take on autistic children because they take so much work.
Screw you for assuming that this has anything to do with money! If there were 0 autistic children she could fill up her case load with much easier clients where she didn't have to spend hours upon hours of her personal time planning and modifying conventional therapy techniques for them!

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LudoRephaim
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Message 11 of 33 (476558)
07-24-2008 6:10 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by Minnemooseus
07-23-2008 10:30 PM


Hmmm
Hi Minnemooseus.
It is strange how Michael savage seems to be trying to protect children and then at the same time call children diagnosed as autistic as "Idiots", Putzes" Morons" who have no Father in their life.
But of course this is not his only scienctific/moralfault; he also lambasts Global warming on his show with trick arguments. I would never trust him as a source for any paper for college or any book (unless the paper/book is on stupid statements).

"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

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LudoRephaim
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Message 12 of 33 (476559)
07-24-2008 6:16 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by ramoss
07-23-2008 9:46 PM


I would not want him to child sit anybody, or even take care of pets.
I dont want the guy to even talk hehehe. You dont know how mad i was when i found out about it on CNN. I'm still steamed just thinking about it now. And its not like you can actually "Confront him" on his radio show; he has the power to tune you off from the hearers and blab his diatribes at you (well heard)and he does his best to bully you verbally in such a discussion (not letting you speak or answer his first so-called question while hurling numerous ones at you. Must be some type of logical fallacy.)
Its just like the "hero" of the Movie "Thank you for smoking" where he tells his son "That's the beauty of it; if you debate well, you're never wrong", the words of a spin doctor.

"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

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LudoRephaim
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Message 13 of 33 (476560)
07-24-2008 6:36 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by Hyroglyphx
07-23-2008 11:50 PM


Re: Asbergers
I have a co-worker who i strongly suspect has aspergers Syndrome. The brass at my command has systematically tried to get him kicked out of the Coast Guard.
If he where diagnosed with Aspergers or some other form of autism, he could possibly get some legal protection from that kind of harassment. But then again i dont know for sure nor do i know the inner workings of the military.
I have some similarities to Asperger's syndrome even though i am diagnosed PDD-NOS (Not otherwise Specified). With Autism you can have problems with social skills (I have two books at home for Autistic people to do well in social envoronments). If he has some type of Autism, then such social problems combined with military life could cause some issues to arise.

"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

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Buzsaw
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Message 14 of 33 (476569)
07-24-2008 8:25 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by Hyroglyphx
07-23-2008 11:53 PM


Re: Savage Is Not A Savage
NJ writes:
Well, I trust your judgment over the media's any day of the week. I should have known they would manipulate anything in order to invent a story out of nothing. So I will tentatively retract my previous statement. Thanks for clarifying, brother
Hi good bud. It's great to have you posing again.
One has to listen to Michael Savage a few times to begin to appreciate him. I don't always agree with him but he's very intelligent and knowledgeable. The man's totally honest and speaks his mind boldly with confidence because he's usually quite right. For saying what he thinks like it is he pays a price and is presently embroiled in a lawsuit.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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Buzsaw
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Message 15 of 33 (476574)
07-24-2008 8:58 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by Minnemooseus
07-23-2008 10:30 PM


Minnemooseous writes:
Michael Savage - Wikipedia(commentator)
Thanks, Moose. I wasn't aware that Savage was not his name.
Wikipedia also offers some information as to how the name Savage appealed to him. The whole link is worth a read.
Here are some credentials which, imo, indicate that he's not whistling in the wind about his charges relative to autism and other nutritional related matters. MD practitioners who treat autism have relatively little education in nutrition so he's likely more of an authority on this topic than are most in the medical field . Like much of what modern medicine advocates and practices, too much of it is $$$ driven and not in the best interest of their patients, including children.
He holds master's degrees in medical botany and medical anthropology and he earned a Ph.D. from the University of California, Berkeley, in nutritional ethnomedicine. As Michael Weiner, he has written books on herbal medicine and homeopathy. As Michael Savage, he has written four New York Times bestsellers. His radio show reaches more than 10 million listeners on 410 stations throughout the United States, ranking third in number of stations syndicated nationwide and third in nationwide audience behind Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity.
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He obtained a Ph.D. in 1978 from the University of California, Berkeley, in nutritional ethnomedicine. His thesis was titled Nutritional Ethnomedicine in Fiji. Savage spent many years researching botany in the South Pacific and has a background in alternative medicine. While in the South Pacific, he became fascinated with the 19th-century sailor Charles Savage, who was believed to be the man that first brought firearms to Fiji.[5]

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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