In 1912, the Titanic sank. 1500 people went to the bottom of the ocean, 11,000 feet down. Many years later, someone went down with cameras and floodlights and found the ship. Broken in half and half a mile apart. They found thousands of pots, pans and other stuff scattered all over the ocean floor. But not 1 human, bone or skull was found. Why not? Because nothing that dies in the ocean is ever seen again. It is annihilated by scavengers. Not one fossil is formed in any ocean basin in the world today. Nature/Gods amazingly effective way of keeping the ocean basins from becoming garbage dumps.
Here is an account of a human skeleton recovered from the wreck of the Belle, lost at sea in 1686.
Oops, it forgot to vanish in accordance with "Nature/Gods amazingly effective way". Because it turns out that taphonomy works like taphonomists think it does and not how you think it does.
And the same is true on land. No fossil is being formed on land today. Hordes of millions of buffalo bisons roamed the western praires and when they died they didnt go down and become fossils. The flesh was removed by scavengers and the bones disintegrated and turned to dust. Not one fossil of these buffalos has ever been found. But if you start digging down into the western prairies, what do you find? Fossils. They got there by being smashed by masses of mud in a global catastrophe. Instantaneously smashed and preserved.
Take Fort Dobbs, for example (**), abandoned since the 1760s. There the bones of bison are found in association with Colonial-era porcelain and musket-balls. Seems they forgot to "turn to dust", because taphonomy works like taphonomists think it does and not how you think it does.
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This is a good example of why you should get your information from people who know things instead of from creationists.
quote: But if you start digging down into the western prairies, what do you find? Fossils. They got there by being smashed by masses of mud in a global catastrophe.
How would fossils found in the western prairies indicate a global catastrophe called "The Flood?" Please explain.
quote:How would fossils found in the western prairies indicate a global catastrophe called "The Flood?" Please explain.
Why arent fossils being formed anywhere in the world today? On land or water. If the fossil record is the record of life, why isnt the record continuing?
Edited by Portillo, : No reason given.
And the conspiracy was strong, for the people increased continually - 2 Samuel 15:12
Why arent fossils being formed anywhere in the world today? On land or water. If the fossil record is the record of life, why isnt the record continuing?
One of the earliest developed principles of geology is that the present is the key to the past. The same processes of erosion and sedimentation (and storms and earthquakes and volcanoes and subduction and uplift and so forth) that we observe today have been happening throughout time and are responsible for transforming our world from the way it was to the way it is.
Fossils are in the process of formation today in the same ways as they have formed throughout time.
Why arent fossils being formed anywhere in the world today?
Where can I read your complete survey of the entire earth?
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quote: How would fossils found in the western prairies indicate a global catastrophe called "The Flood?" Please explain.
The answer you gave was.
quote: Why arent fossils being formed anywhere in the world today? On land or water. If the fossil record is the record of life, why isnt the record continuing?
Obviously dodging the question.
Remember, you stated that fossils in the western prairies indicate a global flood.
The question again: How would fossils found in the western prairies indicate a global catastrophe called "The Flood?" Please explain.
An even more recent example of fossilisation is the external mold fossils found in the ash that blanketed Pompeii. And IIRC there's some fossilised or partly fossilised trees from historically recent eruptions around Mt St Helens.
Don't lie again, be it intentional or unintentional. First time it can be passed on as ignorance, each time thereafter means you break a commandment.
Very few fossils are formed today and if they are its usually because of rapid burial and water. The point is that a flood creates perfect conditions for fossil formation.
And the conspiracy was strong, for the people increased continually - 2 Samuel 15:12
Very few fossils are formed today and if they are its usually because of rapid burial and water.
It has been pointed out to you by several posters that there is no reason to claim few fossils are being formed today.
Nor is rapid burial needed. Most fossils formed are probably coming from sea shells sitting on the ocean floor being slowly covered with silt and perhaps clays. You don't recognize these as fossils because they haven't formed yet! But perhaps if you dig into the seabed a few meters you'll start to find older and older shells. If you go far enough, then you'll start to find fossils. No mystery there.
The point is that a flood creates perfect conditions for fossil formation.
Floods create completely different conditions. A flood will mix materials of different sizes, jumbling them all together and, in the case of large animals, probably rip them apart. The fossils I have seen are mostly in well-sorted sediments, being fine sands and silts.
Can you point to any major series of fossils that occurs in majorly jumbled sediments, which contain everything from sand and gravel to large boulders? (Caution: Fossils in boulders are not the same thing.)
Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Why arent fossils being formed anywhere in the world today?
Very few fossils are formed today
No contradiction there.
I should likely retract any accusation of dishonesty, now I think you are too mentally screwed up to be consistent (look up the term if you don't know what it means, there are online dictionaries) within an hour and therefore are not in violation of any commandment.
Unfortunately, there are no commandments against completely embarrassing oneself in an internet forum, even if the perpetrator can't even begin to understand why.
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Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon
Your the one that takes this topic so seriously. Im just here for some friendly and fun debate. The fact that we are discussing the Genesis flood in 2012 is peaceful enough for me.
Edited by Portillo, : No reason given.
And the conspiracy was strong, for the people increased continually - 2 Samuel 15:12
Your the one that takes this topic so seriously. Im just here for some friendly and fun debate. The fact that we are discussing the Genesis flood in 2012 is peaceful enough for me.
I take this topic seriously because anti-science forces infest the school system and indeed even my workplace in West Texas.
If one is against science, one is against democracy, liberty, a strong military, and most important - the economic health of the nation.
Yeah I care, it hits me right in the damn pocketbook for starters.
Admins, please forgive this off topic rant, but I feel compelled to respond.
Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon
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