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Archer Opteryx
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Message 181 of 264 (477865)
08-08-2008 1:02 PM
Reply to: Message 125 by brendatucker
07-13-2008 2:35 PM


Re: Delusional fanatics
Hi, Brenda. I'm just curious about one detail you mentioned.
I went to school to study psychology so that I might be able to treat delusional fanatics. My studies took me into a search for possible causes for delusion. If you had a higher being attempting to take over your mind and body, you might have moments of difficulty in discerning who was who within you.
I'm interested in knowing more about what you studied.
What is it like for a person to have higher beings trying to take over mind and body?
To have difficulty discerning who is who within you--that sounds very frightening. What more can you tell us about this experience?
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brendatucker
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Message 182 of 264 (477872)
08-08-2008 2:33 PM
Reply to: Message 181 by Archer Opteryx
08-08-2008 1:02 PM


Re: Delusional fanatics
When the idea about this kingdom and what they are doing first came to me, I started thinking about the work ahead of me and it was the Heaven's Gate group that got me the most riled up because in my estimation, if they had known or studied what I knew or studied, they'd still be alive today.
Somehow that group got misdirected or could not understand the purpose of their communications. Being a long time at the "I AM" Temple, I had become familiar with the constant emphasis by that group regarding the "annihilation of the human." They repeat that phrase and idea in many forms, including annihilation of human creation, annihilation of human feelings, annihilation of human love. It is the goal of the students in this group to become more of a cross between the two kingdoms as far as I can tell and by allowing the existence of human, you defeat the purpose of the group which is to become "ascended master." To do so they encourage the use of the Violet Flame which to me is red-girasas and blue-human. You wouldn't allow blue to exist if you were striving for violet and this concept is accentuated by many written passages (we don't just decree, but we also read through lessons.)
If these people from the Heaven's Gate group were only basing their decisions on personal experiences and not studying what they could find in theosophy and Saint Germain Foundation, then they were missing some very important concepts in permitting their communications.
To know (or at least expect) that this kingdom of nature interacts with us for the purpose of ascending us, but they get very little enjoyment from occupying our forms. If they are engaged in repeatedly, it is likely that they will work to change our forms into something more suitable that they can use without pain or conflict. How did the Heaven Gate people know this? How do other people know this? I'd like to tell them about it in order to prevent reoccurrences of taking literally the idea to annihilate human.
The girasas kingdom are not killers. You'll find the references in the literature frequently when we recite we are annihilating evil, wrongdoing, an many unwelcome influences such as drugs and impurity.
So, since that group was in the news and there were people alarmed and saying they wanted to help, I thought that this would be a selling point for my findings to become public. But I don't find anyone wanting to help.
Then I had to rethink EVERYTHING that I had done and thought previously because it felt like I was beginning a new life and so I had to figure out how to fit my old life into this new life. I tried to think through everything I knew and was and did. I tried to keep some degree of peace because I knew I was in danger of having mental health problems. I tried to rest and write peacefully without too much conflict.
Then neither organization wanted to promote my work. I just became an outcast because they didn't like to hear me talk about it - they wanted to stick to the work they were doing.
Then I had a lot of time on my hands because I left the groups and began to study at a local church. I was grateful for a neighbor offering me a job because I thought I was disabled and wouldn't be able to work as a secretary while trying to promote this theory. Being a real estate appraiser took a great deal of my time and I didn't have to deal with the frustration because I only had to write one or two messages a day and then apply myself to my job as an appraiser and it was interesting to go into different parts of Los Angeles and surrounding counties, because I felt like I had been given the key to the City, in an imaginary sense and that I was being allowed into people's homes and so in that sense I was imagining my idea being allowed into their homes as well.
I also thought (from writing on the internet and getting reactions) that people would want to kill me for doing this work. There are some very heated arguments involved in this debate and it could be dangerous if people aren't allowed to follow their dreams. I thought that by driving around Los Angeles that this would allow people to kill me (on the road) if that was to be the outcome of my work.
I didn't get in an accident and I guess they (?) gave up trying to "get me."
So after a while, the work I was doing just became more tedious writing and getting rejected, reading and appealing to the authors and not getting responses, etc. This is the best work I have ever done on this forum.
I thought repeating this writing would develop me and that it was really lacks within myself that didn't allow the work to mature. So by improving myself while doing this I could someday be equal to the task.
I also thought appraising was dangerous and that maybe it was the girasas kingdom that could do that work for me and I didn't have to worry so much. It felt like maybe they were the strong part of me that could go out into strange areas, impoverished areas even and that maybe that was how I could do the work without getting sued, etc.
Edited by brendatucker, : spelling

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Stile
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Message 183 of 264 (477873)
08-08-2008 3:03 PM


Some links for the curious
Excerpts from Brenda's blog:
Brenda, on her main focus writes:
My efforts are to destroy the Darwin theory and replace it with the Blavatsky Seven Race Theory so that religion and science can be mutually helpful to each other and not opposed.
Something in the blog that I find... telling writes:
What I really want is honorary degrees and monetary awards from as many contributors as possible...
...wouldn't we all?
Brenda attempts to explain the "Seven Race Theory" on this page.
These are the best quick-points that I could find to try to understand where Brenda is coming from and why. Unfortunately, they're still not quite based in reality, but seem to be based off of Blavatsky's science fiction novel...
Almost reminds me of a certain L. Ron Hubbard, albeit in a less understandable way.
Edited by Stile, : No reason given.

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Larni
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Message 184 of 264 (477881)
08-08-2008 5:23 PM
Reply to: Message 183 by Stile
08-08-2008 3:03 PM


Re: Some links for the curious
Stile writes:
Almost reminds me of a certain L. Ron Hubbard, albeit in a less understandable way.
Yeah, this
brenda writes:
The dinosaur kingdom ascends simultaneous with the descent of the human kingdom. This takes a period of time equal to three races. 1st human race hovers over, within, and through the 5th race of the dinosaur-animal. 2nd race exists side by side on an inner level or soul level with the 6th race animal. Finally, the 3rd race human has progressed to the point where the form is sufficient for inhabiting, however since the 2nd-6th race is androgynous and a dual race, the 3rd - 7th race must split. In THE SECRET DOCTRINE this is spoken of as the separation of the sexes, but in my mind entails a separation of the human form from the "shista" form of the animal.
only needs a few nuclear volcanoes and battle fleets and we are well within Hubbard territory.
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Edited by Larni, : Added site link.

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Archer Opteryx
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Message 185 of 264 (477902)
08-09-2008 12:09 AM
Reply to: Message 182 by brendatucker
08-08-2008 2:33 PM


Re: Delusional fanatics
I tried to think through everything I knew and was and did. I tried to keep some degree of peace because I knew I was in danger of having mental health problems.
Did you at any point talk about this with a mental health professional?
I ask, because these are the experiences you describe:
1. being bestowed with a special message of cosmic importance that you have difficulty explaining logically;
2. feeling that multiple personalities within you are battling for control;
3. grandiose ambitions (you say you are a 'housewife' and mention no political experience, but you have decided to run for President of the United States);
4. belief that you are surrounded by hostile others determined to persecute or kill you;
5. fear for your mental health;
6. perception of kinship with self-destructive delusional groups like Heaven's Gate;
7. fear that your thoughts may lead you to be self-destructive.
Any one of these items, taken singly, is something to investigate with a mental health professional. In combination it becomes a case of run, don't walk.
You describe a situation that is personally overwhelming. You cannot possibly handle it alone. People with these problems do not just sit down on their own and organize their thoughts.
See for yourself. The messages you consistently get from others--that your statements are incoherent, that they can't understand your ideas, that your explanations make no sense--are red flags.
You need to be discussing these experiences with a qualified professional, not with us. Are you doing so? If not, it's time. Now.
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Message 186 of 264 (477923)
08-09-2008 2:22 PM
Reply to: Message 185 by Archer Opteryx
08-09-2008 12:09 AM


Working it out
See for yourself. The messages you consistently get from others--that your statements are incoherent, that they can't understand your ideas, that your explanations make no sense--are red flags.
You need to be discussing these experiences with a qualified professional, not with us. Are you doing so? If not, it's time. Now.
I echo these sentiments, Brenda. It is reminiscent of the cult-like hold and mental gymnastics that the Church of Scientology holds over its victims.
The biggest problem that I see, Archer, is that finding out something she holds so dear to be fabled and wishful thinking is that it could cause serious cognitive dissonance. A slow weening off process might be most advisable. But the psychologists can sort that out I suppose.

“Tu ne cede malis sed contra audentior ito"

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Larni
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Posts: 4000
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Joined: 09-16-2005


Message 187 of 264 (477954)
08-10-2008 7:50 AM


As I said: an over valued idea.
But how is Brenda's nonsensical beliefs any different from religious belief?
After all, it's no different from the FSM or xianity.
Edited by Larni, : DVD extras

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brendatucker
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Posts: 168
From: West Hills, CA
Joined: 05-22-2008


Message 188 of 264 (477963)
08-10-2008 9:53 AM
Reply to: Message 185 by Archer Opteryx
08-09-2008 12:09 AM


Re: Delusional fanatics
You are a very kind and helpful person, it seems to me, to advise me like this. Naturally, I am especially concerned for my children, but the outreach I am hoping for is more than just one family.
Here's what happens to the way you think of other people:
When I rethought many things, I considered that all of my efforts towards purifying myself, living free from meat-eating, alcohol-drinking, sex-participating, and also from association (with those kinds of people) were not my own efforts. I had always been kind of proud of my ability to be so austere, but when I admitted this girasas concept into my life, I began to think that they had probably done that for me as it was a good thing.
Whenever I did something good, true, noble, (whatever), I gave credit to the girasas kingdom. Whenever I did something like failure, sin, or caused misunderstandings, that was me, the human.
Naturally that would extend to other people so that my heros all seemed to be people who had used these girasas energies and not admitted to people how they had achieved greatness.
And when people like yourselves couldn't imagine or conceive of the circumstances I found myself in, I considered that perhaps their brains weren't equipped because they hadn't take the purifying steps that I had to allow the girasas easier access to them.
It hurts me tremendously that The Theosophical Society doesn't come with a warning. They tell people about the exceptional lives of the founders and all of this "new theory" in their literature, and they ask us to research for ourselves to discover whether or not there is validity. But I don't think I know how to force them to publish my research findings. First, I need an author, attention from the board, and some one in the administration making decisions to print a pamphlet or some kind of notice regarding what I have found.
Can you see that anyone who reads this and applies themselves like I did, could achieve the same realization, but so far along that they might not be able to safely or willingly draw back?
I personally love the idea that I might evolve out of the need to reincarnate. I am not extremely willing to join this kind of world. I enjoy the advanced states of a girasas kingdom that I have been studying, however when you consider what advancement is, you need to consider a society's willingness to accept change.
Neither of the groups I belonged to could accept me or my work and help me to expose the idea. Perhaps they had too many interests essential to their staying alive and becoming involved with me would have caused them harm. Christianity allows me to participate, but I rarely discuss anything BUT Christianity with them. The only people I consider open and responsible enough are American citizens, perhaps even politicians, who can make a broad range of decisions effecting change. If people engaged in this debate could use my work to welcome a newcomer into their fields of exploration (I know it's asking a lot since there isn't a great body committed to my work) then everyone (Americans especially) could make the decisions about their lives freely, with all available information.
These books are great, but when college students find them and ask themselves, why wasn't I taught about this, society takes on a subversive image to them. It didn't seem fair that only some people could follow this path and others had to remain blind to its existence.
When I engage myself in Violet Flame activities, I use this Violet Flame on my community and they are unaware of what I am doing. It seems so unfair that others can't know about how I spread this "invisible" energy around on them and they are just without any defenses or part in the decision-making process.
I really would like authorities - authors - researchers - to report on their ideas and experiences so that I don't feel so alone and separated from people. I recognize much of my experiment involved reaching a condition where I would not have to reincarnate any more - if I could become enlightened or illumined (those ideas are often used) that is one thing, but I considered liberated to be the best goal because I wouldn't have to be born and could go beyond being human.
Perhaps I could still become a liberated person and not have to be reborn, but generally my existence (almost as if a human in limbo) is not quite appealing as it once was. The people who have reached that state have done grand amounts of work for humans and their efforts are to serve humanity and I think if I could perform work on this par then it would help my cause, but unfortunately the burden seems to have fallen on their kingdom.
I couldn't exactly be proud of my accomplishment, if someone else really was behind the work getting done. Under this new guise, it doesn't seem the work is getting done by me and that takes away the level of achievement I previously gave it.
Liberation was always to me a self-chosen, self-initiated effort, but if this girasas kingdom takes part, it loses that. It's almost as if I want to tell humans that rather than go into their world (and lose our grasp on reality as we know it), it would be preferable to bring them here to earth where we can still control much of what happens. My emphasis wants to become changed from the idea of my going there to join them, to being a catalyst to them coming here where human work can get done cooperatively.
Edited by brendatucker, : lost to lose

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brendatucker
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From: West Hills, CA
Joined: 05-22-2008


Message 189 of 264 (477965)
08-10-2008 10:20 AM
Reply to: Message 187 by Larni
08-10-2008 7:50 AM


Blast Off
Picture it as a mission - delve into unexplored regions of intellectual space - and return unharmed to encourage future missions.
Actually there are still other books that I could recommend to you such as the series written by Maurice Cooke with Master Hilarion (the head of the science ray).
While I have read his books and they include research suggestions as well as instructions for building a machine to regrow teeth (?) (I think), I have to leave some of this work to others more qualified.

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brendatucker
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Message 190 of 264 (478042)
08-11-2008 8:53 AM


A messenger to help clarify theosophy
I was 19 years old in 1975 when I joined the Theosophical Society. In 1988, when I was 33, I married my husband and moved to Los Angeles. In April, 1995, when I was 39 and my 2nd child, a son, was 6 months old this idea came to me.
In rethinking who I was and who I was to become, I remembered reading in The theosophical literature the prediction that a messenger would come in the last quarter of the 20th century, just as one had come every century to bring a little bit more of the truth about existence to the world. In trying to find a reference for you to verify this statement I located the following:
That H. P. Blavatsky intended the Movement of her time to be so understood is clear from numerous passages throughout her writings, and from several hints and occasionally forthright statements concerning the coming of another Messenger, one like herself, when the hundred-year cycle of her mission has run its course”that is, in 1975.
That was taken from THE THEOSOPHICAL MOVEMENT http://www.phx-ult-lodge.org/theosophica%20lmovement.htm
In 1994, I had been waiting almost 20 years for this prophecy to be realized as I had wanted to learn from this new Messenger. Due to the magnitude of my concerns with the girasas kingdom, I decided that if I was to be the person bringing my claims into the public eye, that it would very nearly make me the messenger that she (and others) had proclaimed would come. The only sense I could make out of the "last 25 years of every century" being the ground for this release of "light to the world" regarding myself was that I had joined The Theosophical Society in 1975, lived and worked at the Headquarters from 1977 to 1981, became a life member, married a well-known theosophist from California, and then after the birth of my son, had this type of realization about the work that led to my speaking out on evolution by seven races.
I was terribly disappointed when I didn't even make a dent in the consciousness of people by the year 2000, and now with it being 2008, I feel foolish for having tried to make theosophy more publicly known as if I was the messenger referred to. I should retract everything I said about being a messenger that could help clarify theosophy - except, let me ask: Did it help you?
Edited by brendatucker, : 1994 to 1995

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Message 191 of 264 (478048)
08-11-2008 10:04 AM
Reply to: Message 189 by brendatucker
08-10-2008 10:20 AM


Some more questions.
You obviously believe what you have read in the Secret Doctrine but have you given any thought as to why you believe it?
Why are your asserted beliefs true? By that I mean what have you experienced that points to the Secret Doctrine being true?
You see, the problem we are all having here is that you say "girasas theory is true but for some reason nobody has ever encountered girasas" and you seem to feel that someone should take girasas theory out of your hands and promogulate it to the general population.
It appears that for you, adopting 'girasas theory' allowed you to make sense of the world in a way that you found conducive to good mental health: you seem to mention many time that girasas theory allows xiantity and science to come togther in synergy.
This seems to have allowed you to remove an amount of cognitive dissonance about religion and science. From here it appears that you believe that if everyone could see it how you see it people would be much happier.
Is this about right, or am I way off?

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Larni
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Message 192 of 264 (478050)
08-11-2008 10:16 AM
Reply to: Message 190 by brendatucker
08-11-2008 8:53 AM


Re: A messenger to help clarify theosophy
brenda writes:
I was terribly disappointed when I didn't even make a dent in the consciousness of people by the year 2000, and now with it being 2008, I feel foolish for having tried to make theosophy more publicly known as if I was the messenger referred to. I should retract everything I said about being a messenger that could help clarify theosophy - except, let me ask: Did it help you?
Brenda, what does the above tell you? It seems pretty clear that you strongly beleived something that was infact false. This is the problem when we don't have any corroborating evidence.
If I was to tell you that when people 'worry' they worry in a verbal way i.e. thinking thoughts such as "what if.....?" would you beleive me? If I was to tell you that 'worry' is always about the future rather than the past would you beleive me?
Some people would say I'm right and some would say I'm wrong: but the only way to know for sure is to find out. That takes a measured scientific methodology.
You can't pull ideas out of the ether and expect other people to beleive you without showing with evidence why your ideas are correct.
I'm sorry you spent 25 years chasing rainbows.

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brendatucker
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From: West Hills, CA
Joined: 05-22-2008


Message 193 of 264 (478595)
08-18-2008 10:50 AM
Reply to: Message 191 by Larni
08-11-2008 10:04 AM


Self Reflection
When I saw “Wicked” for the second time with my father and my husband, it had the effect of characterizing what I liked about my father and finding that my husband also had those same characteristics. They are : funny, kind, instructive, studious, gentle and they deserve as much appreciation for those things as I can lavish onto them.
However, the fact that I began male adoration isn’t easily explained. The main characters in the production were female, my mother and daughter were there also and in fact, we were celebrating my mother’s 80th birthday. Yet, none of that combined into an admiration for female traits.
When do I compile my thoughts for the females in my life in a similar way? Maybe we are all just adoring creatures with little time or interest in assessing our sex. Maybe I am oversimplifying the problems that I have showing others enough love.
Trying to work and not being good at it or not enjoying it is an eye opener. But then I do know women that continue associating in women’s groups (I personally don’t.), and in some way it might be possible to compensate for the lack of interest in women’s roles.
Another concern I have is based on noticing a destructiveness in myself. What makes a person destructive? Is it a natural condition of aging? Do we somehow rationalize that when we become old enough we will self-destruct, and so destructiveness accompanies age? How can we better make use of tendencies that we find existing in ourselves? Can I turn destructiveness into a good thing?
I admit that I have dreamed of destroying the concepts that rage on both sides of this debate. I have aspirations of destroying this debate between creationism and evolution, but it is not for a malicious reason. I want the debate to turn into a more focused intellectual analysis so that I can benefit from listening and turning my mind upon the subjects discussed. I would be very much interested in hearing ideas on how to live better lives by creating a world that would reflect who we are and who we wish to become. In other words, how can interactions between two kingdoms: girasas and human take place.
If I could get people debating this subject, I would be happy about my destructiveness and my eventual ensuing physical death, because I would conclude that it is possible to change through debate, a non-negative, non-abusive use of power.

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brendatucker
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Joined: 05-22-2008


Message 194 of 264 (478596)
08-18-2008 10:52 AM
Reply to: Message 192 by Larni
08-11-2008 10:16 AM


Re: A messenger to help clarify theosophy
If people could hear these ideas that are found in books currently shuffled out of consideration, would we be better able to make choices concerning whether or not religion is a good thing in life?
We already know that science is a good thing.
Edited by brendatucker, : No reason given.

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Message 195 of 264 (478598)
08-18-2008 11:36 AM
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08-18-2008 10:52 AM


A message to help clarify theosophy
Some books are "shuffled out of consideration" for a reason.
Think of it as evolution in action...

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