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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
In case you overlooked it I too am a fan of vaccination and my first post in this thread said so--Message 9. It's only recently that I've been hearing enough about the problems with today's vaccines to influence me in the other direction, and not against vaccination itself, only against the packaging. I now do believe the personal reports of adverse effects. There are too many and they are too specific to deserve the dismissive and insulting treatment you all give them, and these people are doing lots of research themselves that keeps turning up bias and fraud and false propaganda. The movie Trace Effects is particularly effective in my opinion though I'm not completely through it yet. The whole thing needs more study than I'm able to spend time on but I'm starting to collect information to track down later.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
yes it's an assertion. You are all just evading the facts when you ignore assertions even if some details are in error. There is evidence to be had but it's not always available on the spur of the moment and your mindset of dissing everything you disagree with because it doesn't dot all the scientific i's is repugnant prejudice.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
Present some actual cases, you claim there are thousands, should be easy to find lots of cases.
Oh and of course, no anecdotes. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I think the movie is actually called "Trace Amounts" and it contains no evidence and nothing but Christian Cult of Ignorance type "TESTIFY, BROTHER, TESTIFY".
It is classic propaganda designed to market to the willfully ignorant.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
So thousands of people all saying they had similar effects-- a healthy baby or child gets a shot and dies within hours or changes overnight -- is just dismissible anecdote? There are no studies or they've been suppressed. Refusal to consider such testimony is just a way to guarantee you're always right and you'll never find out the truth. Inability to judge the truthfulness of people is a personal failing. These people are getting no financial benefit, and they're getting treated like dirt. You can find the anecdotes yourself, I'm not going to waste my time.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
DId you see it?
The movie is FULL of evidence, testimony of all kinds of experts, information on research projects. There's nothing Christian about the movie. Where are you getting that?
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Christian Testify,
Assertions. Claims. Nonsense. Carny tactics. It's classic material for the gullible and easily swayed. It's audience is the Christian Cult of Ignorance and the modern Fascists that claim to be conservatives.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Trace Amounts
HAVE YOU SEEN THE MOVIE? THERE IS NOTHING CHRISTIAN ABOUT IT. As a matter of fact I haven't seen even ONE mention of this issue on any of the Christian sites I frequent, not even one, and I've been starting to wonder why. Conservatives aren't the ones doing this, it's people who have suffered from the vaccines, that's people of all persuasions. Otherwise, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. a conservative? Hollywood actors conservative? Democrats are leaving the party because of it, having believed the pro-vaccine propaganda up until this law showed them how tyrannical the government is. Many were vaccinating slowly on a delayed schedule for instance and now they're being railroaded and they don't like it. There is nothing conservative about this. BUT IT MAY MAKE SOME CONVERTS TO CONSERVATISM because the liberals are so untrustworthy. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
Faith writes:
quote: Yes. The vaccine schedule has been developed to create the most effective immune response we can. To delay vaccination is to invite disease. You need to be vaccinated as soon as practically possible.
quote: Yes. The aluminum salt adjuvants in vaccine are there to make the vaccine more effective. This means you need less vaccine to achieve an effective immune response. Since the aluminum salts used in vaccine are not toxic in the doses used, since you will ingest more aluminum from the food you eat than you will ever receive from all the vaccine you ever receive, there is no cause for concern.
quote: Yes. Again, the vaccine schedule has been developed to create the most effective immune response we can. To delay vaccination is to invite disease. You need to be vaccinated as soon as practically possible. The immune system is robust. Multiple strains are vaccinated at the same time precisely because the immune system can handle it and we need to get it protected as quickly as we can. People's lives are on the line and you are advocating substandard care because you are scared of something that literally doesn't exist.
quote: No, there isn't. There hasn't been mercury in childhood vaccine for 15 years. And once again, you are reacting to the word "mercury" rather than asking the correct question: What kind of mercury? Again, sodium is explosive. And yet, you would die without it. So why don't you explode? Because it is elemental sodium that is explosive. Ionic sodium, on the other hand, is used by every cell in your body to regulate ion transport. Elemental mercury is toxic. So is methyl mercury. These are the forms of mercury you routinely find the environment and is a significant pollutant from the burning of fossil fuels which is why the decision against the EPA regarding mercury emissions in coal-fired power plants is so disappointing. Thimerosal, on the other hand, is ethyl mercury. It is not toxic. When ingested, it is metabolized very quickly and is eliminated from the body without issue. It is why I used to use thimerosal-containing solutions to clean my contact lenses. Faith, I have literally put my vision on the line and your claims are simply not true. I have had more mercury in my eyes than you will ever have from vaccine. Eating two cans of tuna fish contains more mercury than all the vaccine you will ever receive in your lifetime. And the mercury in tuna is methyl mercury. This is a serious question, Faith. If nothing else, I want you to answer this single question: Do you understand the difference between ethyl and methyl mercury?
quote: No, it isn't. It is used in multi-dose flu vaccine, but you can easily get single-dose flu vaccine if you are concerned. But once again, thimerosal isn't hazardous.
quote: Incorrect. Once again, ethyl mercury is metabolized quickly and eliminated from the body within 18 days. It is biologically impossible for it to "add up." We're back to my question, Faith: Do you understand the difference between ethyl and methyl mercury?
quote: Absolutely false. In fact, it is completely backwards. The vaccines are safe because of the additives. To remove them would make vaccination more difficult if not impossible. Preservatives are needed to keep the vaccine from becoming spoiled and dangerous to use. Adjuvants are used to make the vaccine more effective so that you don't need as much vaccine or repeated courses in order to achieve effective immunity. All additives to vaccine have been tested and found to be safe. That's why they are used.
quote: Again, absolutely false. In fact, it is completely backwards. The immune system is robust and the vaccine schedule was developed to leverage that strength in order to get you immunized as quickly as possible. To delay vaccination is to invite disease. You need to be vaccinated as quickly as practically possible.
quote: They already are. You are asking to make them less safe. You are asking to remove the very things that are making them safe. You are directly asking for tens of thousands of people to die because you are ignorant of the biology. We're back to my question, Faith: Do you understand the difference between ethyl and methyl mercury?
quote: Incorrect. Again, absolutely backwards. There are no toxic ingredients in vaccine. We're back to my question, Faith: Do you understand the difference between ethyl and methyl mercury?
quote: I have. That is why I am confident that it is safe.
quote: Wait...you're complaining about the vaccine when you directly admit that it contains nothing toxic?
quote: You mean you don't know? Let's talk about monosodium glutamate. The amount of MSG in MMR vaccine is barely measurable. It is used as a growth medium as it is a nutrient and stabilizer. But it isn't used directly in the vaccine itself. But, because it is used the creation of the vaccine, it is listed because it may be present in trace amounts. MSG is also used as a stabilizer. It helps prevent the ingredients from settling out. By the way, your body creates MSG. It is used for cellular metabolism and is a neurotransmitter. It is used to create proline and arginine, amino acids required for life. It is an important part of intestinal function, even more so in infants. You would die without MSG. One cup of breast milk has more MSG in it than all the vaccine you will ever receive The maximum safe dose of MSG intake is 6 grams per kilogram of body weight. For a 4 kg infant, that's 24 grams. FluMist contains 0.188 mg of MSG in a single dose. That is nearly 32,000 times less than the maximal dose. That breast milk mentioned? It has about 175 mg of MSG. That means by breastfeeding your child, you are dosing your child every day with nearly 1,000 times as much MSG as contained in a flu shot. Are you about to tell people to stop breastfeeding? Let's go on to sodium bicarbonate. It, too, is manufactured by the body. Extracellular fluid is usually at a 1:20 ratio of bicarbonate. You would die without it. It is used as a treatment for acidosis in diabetes. It is a buffering agent to control hydrogen ion. Did you do any research into why the various ingredients in the vaccine are used or did you just see "sodium bicarbonate" and "monosodium glutamate" and immediately assume that something nefarious is going on?
quote: Incorrect. MMR causes none of the problems people are complaining about. Despite intensive study, the MMR vaccine (and vaccines in general) have been shown to be safe.Rrhain Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time. Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Yes, that's all the politically correct stuff. All that is what is starting to be shown up as lies. Go deeper. Watch the film. Don't trust the first Google pages. Try some sources you automatically distrust.
abe: of course there are reasons for the use of the ingredients but believe it or not they are NOT testing their safety, and people ARE having adverse reactrions to the MMR. So we poison people because the poison preserves or enhances the vaccine? Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
You have to get out of the propaganda tr4ack to find out the facts. You always seem to land on the BS side of every question. Some posters cite statistics with sources, provide references, and back up what they say. You always have excuses for not having evidence and insist that the excuses are just as good as the evidence. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
Faith responds to me:
quote: "Two"? I referred to three different versions, Faith. Did you bother to read my post before responding? We're back to my question: Do you understand the difference between ethyl and methyl mercury? And how do they differ from elemental mercury? Why don't you use your own words and tell me what you think the difference is. From the description of your movie, it appears your source is merely seeing the word "mercury" and is assuming that all mercury-containing compounds are the same. It refers, for example, to "Mad Hatter Syndrome." That's mercuric nitrate, an inorganic form of mercury. Do you think that mercuric nitrate behaves the same way in the body as ethyl mercury? Do you understand the difference between mercuric nitrate and ethyl mercury? It also mentions "Pink Disease." That's from calomel, or mercury(I) chloride. Do you think that mercury(I) chloride behaves the same way in the body as ethyl mercury? Do you understand the difference between mercury(I) chloride and ethyl mercury? It also mentions the "Iraqi Grain Incident." That was methyl mercury. Do you think that methyl mercury behaves the same way in the body as ethyl mercury? Do you understand the difference between methyl mercury and ethyl mercury?Rrhain Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time. Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
Faith writes:
quote: "Straight"? No, I'm OK with injecting them as vaccine. After all, Faith, a woman in Washington just died from the measles. Are you willing to accept responsibility for her death?
quote: Except it doesn't. Every investigation has shown that there is no connection between MMR vaccine and any of the problems you are claiming.Rrhain Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time. Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Learn to read.
I said it is aimed at the Christian Cult of Ignorance and the modern American Fascists. That does not me it is Christian in nature but rather that it employes the conman tactics that today's Christian Right and and Cult of Ignorance uses ti brainwash their kids and rubes. It is all just TESTIFY with no evidence or substance.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
So no evidence? Figured.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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