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Author Topic:   Climate Change Denier comes in from the cold: SCIENCE!!!
Dr Adequate
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Message 151 of 944 (766574)
08-19-2015 10:18 AM
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08-19-2015 10:14 AM


Re: Change
You did not answer my question. I did not ask what the conditions were in 2008.
I asked how NoNukes would explain the fact that in May of 2015 the polar ice was 5% larger than it was in 1979.
What does an article from 2008 have to do with the Polar ice in May of 2015?
The article is dated May 27th 2015. I really cannot bring myself to commend your research skills. Now how about you read it?

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ICANT
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Message 152 of 944 (766575)
08-19-2015 10:19 AM
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08-19-2015 9:44 AM


Re: Change
Hi Dr,
Dr writes:
Al Gore predicted the polar caps would be gone by now.
No he didn't.
Are you sure he did not make that prediction in his acceptance speech of his nobel prize in 2007?

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Dr Adequate
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Message 153 of 944 (766578)
08-19-2015 10:42 AM
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08-19-2015 10:19 AM


Re: Change
Are you sure he did not make that prediction in his acceptance speech of his nobel prize in 2007?
Absolutely sure, because I have read it.
Again, I don't think much of your research skills.

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NoNukes
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Message 154 of 944 (766582)
08-19-2015 11:12 AM
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08-19-2015 9:38 AM


Re: Change
Are you satisfied with Dr. Adequate's answers?
He's covered the bases, and even provided a reference. I'll add the fact that in the antarctic, even though sea ice is growing, the ice on land is decreasing.
Is Antarctica losing or gaining ice?
I'll further add, that we've seen this stuff explained for something close to five years. The fact that you can still find a recent article full of crap does not invalidate old articles explaining exactly what has happened. Dr. Adequate did provide a recent article, but it turns out that this is old denier nonsense.
Let me suggest that whatever the actual truth is about AGW, the scientist that believe in it are not idiots. If you think you have found some simple mistake, the way you and foreveryoung did, why not at least check for the scientific response before running off half cocked?
Al Gore predicted the polar caps would be gone by now. He really believed in global warming or with lining his pockets with other peoples money. Which he did.
And this stuff does not rise and fall with the credibility of Al Gore. I find it somewhat amusing that people think Al Gore's pocketbooks are an indicator, while those of people involved with the industry of burning carbon have motives as pure as the drive snow.
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NoNukes
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Message 155 of 944 (766583)
08-19-2015 11:32 AM
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08-19-2015 10:19 AM


Re: Change
Are you sure he did not make that prediction in his acceptance speech of his nobel prize in 2007
Al Gore cannot make is own predictions. Here is what Al Gore did say in his speech.
quote:
Last September 21 (2007), as the Northern Hemisphere tilted away from the sun, scientists reported with unprecedented distress that the North Polar ice cap is "falling off a cliff." One study estimated that it could be completely gone during summer in less than 22 years. Another new study, to be presented by U.S. Navy researchers later this week, warns it could happen in as little as 7 years.
So Al Gore referenced two scientist's studies that themselves are tentative. He makes no claim that the shorter one is more correct, but not only have those become Gore's predictions, but somehow Gore is stuck with a 2014 prediction rather than a 2029 prediction.
Instead of repeatedly asking us what Gore said, why did you not simply reproduce it yourself?

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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ramoss
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Message 156 of 944 (766593)
08-19-2015 1:39 PM
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08-19-2015 10:14 AM


Re: Change
James Taylor is a paid shill by the Heartland Institute. This is in response to his 'claim'
Climate Science Policy Watch - Government Accountability Project
Do you have any article from someone who is not being paid by an institute funded by either Exxon Mobile or the Koch Brothers?

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ICANT
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Message 157 of 944 (766607)
08-19-2015 4:23 PM
Reply to: Message 151 by Dr Adequate
08-19-2015 10:18 AM


Re: Change
Hi Dr,
Sorry I did not get back to you earlier but I had to take the wife to the doctor.
Dr writes:
I really cannot bring myself to commend your research skills.
There was 170,000 sq miles more polar ice this year than there was in 1979.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ringo
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Message 158 of 944 (766610)
08-19-2015 4:31 PM
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08-19-2015 9:38 AM


Re: Change
ICANT writes:
As of May 2015 the Polar ice is 5% larger than the 1979 size was.
If the earth is getting so much warmer due to our emissions into the air how is that possible?
What do short-term fluctuations have to do with long-term trends?

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Dr Adequate
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Message 159 of 944 (766617)
08-19-2015 4:49 PM
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08-19-2015 4:23 PM


Re: Change
There was 170,000 sq miles more polar ice this year than there was in 1979.
And since we have two data points about the area of sea ice, and if we refuse to look at all the others, then all our thermometers must be lying to us or something, I dunno, it's your argument.

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ICANT
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Message 160 of 944 (766619)
08-19-2015 4:53 PM
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08-19-2015 11:12 AM


Re: Change
Hi NoNukes,
NoNukes writes:
Let me suggest that whatever the actual truth is about AGW, the scientist that believe in it are not idiots.
So according to that statement all scientist who do not belive in global warming are idiots.
BTW there was 170,000 sq miles more polar ice this year than there was in 1979.
But frankly I do believe in global warming. I just don't believe mankind is having much to do with it. The sun is growing every year. Solar storms are getting more violent as time moves along. The bigger the sun get's the hotter it is going to get on earth until it melts with fervent heat. 2 Peter 3:12.
Oh, and if I remember correctly I have been told that scientist believe the sun will kill all life forms on earth at a point in the future, as it will get very hot.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 161 of 944 (766621)
08-19-2015 4:56 PM
Reply to: Message 158 by ringo
08-19-2015 4:31 PM


Re: Change
Hi Ringo,
Ringo writes:
What do short-term fluctuations have to do with long-term trends?
But you only have data from 1979 until the present to work with. So what long term fluctuations are you talking about?
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ringo
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Message 162 of 944 (766624)
08-19-2015 5:00 PM
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08-19-2015 4:56 PM


Re: Change
ICANT writes:
But you only have data from 1979 until the present to work with. So what long term fluctuations are you talking about?
There is a long-term trend in temperatures, which you don't seem to deny. There's no reason why the ice caps can't get bigger in the short term even if the temperature is rising in the long term.

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Taq
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Message 163 of 944 (766625)
08-19-2015 5:02 PM
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08-19-2015 4:56 PM


Re: Change
But you only have data from 1979 until the present to work with. So what long term fluctuations are you talking about?
These fluctuations:
Since 1979 the Sun warmed AND THEN COOLED twice. During that same time we see a continuous increase in Earth's temp. Can't be the Sun.

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ICANT
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Message 164 of 944 (766626)
08-19-2015 5:02 PM
Reply to: Message 159 by Dr Adequate
08-19-2015 4:49 PM


Re: Change
Hi Dr,
Dr writes:
And since we have two data points about the area of sea ice, and if we refuse to look at all the others, then all our thermometers must be lying to us or something, I dunno, it's your argument.
No that is your argument.
My argument is that there is 170,000 sq miles more polar ice in 2015 than there was in 1979 when it was first recorded.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Taq
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Message 165 of 944 (766627)
08-19-2015 5:04 PM
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08-19-2015 5:02 PM


Re: Change
No that is your argument.
My argument is that there is 170,000 sq miles more polar ice in 2015 than there was in 1979 when it was first recorded.
God Bless,
Do you agree or disagree that the Greenhouse Effect is real, and that CO2 is a greenhouse gas?

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