They managed to lose even when the opposing council didn't bother to turn up. That's how shitty their case is.
quote:Ordinarily, the Court would enter a default order against a party that fails to participate in any stage of a proceeding....{however} Plaintiffs asked this Court to decide the case on the merits of their arguments and evidence.
quote: neither witness was properly qualified or tendered as an expert in birth records, forged documents or document manipulation. Another witness testified that she has concluded that the social security number Mr. Obama uses is fraudulent; however, her investigatory methods and her sources of information were not properly presented, and she was never qualified or tendered as an expert in social security fraud, or fraud investigations in general.... None of the testifying witnesses provided persuasive testimony. Moreover, the Court finds that none of the written submissions tendered by Plaintiffs have probative value. Given the unsatisfactory evidence presented by the Plaintiffs, the Court concludes that Plaintiffs' claims are not persuasive.
quote:Plaintiffs contend that, because his father was not a U.S. citizen at the time of his birth, Mr. Obama is constitutionally ineligible for the Office of the President of the United States. The Court does not agree.
quote:President Barack Obama is eligible as a candidate for the presidential primary election under O.C.G.A. 21-2-5(b). SO ORDERED, February, 2012.
Sigh. It was a confession, Paul, I wasn't defending it. I guess I just have to be WAY more explicit. Yes I would probably be more ready to accept an argument for Cruz's eligibility than Obama's, BUT NOT FOR RACIST REASONS. That was the point. I assume most of us have such foibles, I'm not defending it, I'm just saying my own weakness IS NOT RACIST.
Not one Republican made a stink about it, NOT EVEN TRUMP!!
Actually, Trump did bring up the issue regarding Cruz on a number of occasions.
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
Even a claim of hoax can be a hoax. "Fake news" was first used by Communist China against dissenters, which is pretty much how it's being used now in America too.
Ah, so anyone who points out that you're spreading dumb lies is like the Communist Chinese.
Apart from being right of course.
It takes more than just saying so to prove it, as you all keep telling me.
Well, how about this: the bullshit debunked by snopes has no evidence for it. In particular, you can't find where Occidental College released any such information.
In any case I think there's quite enough genuine evidence against Obama to prove he was born in Kenya.
Then by all means supply it instead of posting the dishonest trash invented to "prove" that point.
I have to answer personal accusations again just for the record. I don't HATE Obama, what I hate is Marxism, Anti-Americanism, and other destructive totalitarian ideologies, and Obama happens to be both a Marxist and a Muslim ...
And you know this because?
(a) You can read minds. (b) The voices in your head whispered it to you. (c) Other (please specify).
Like the last item on Alinsky's Rules for Radicals: don't attack institutions, attack people, because people hurt, institutions don't. Which is a reversal of centuries of civilized rules of discourse ...
And yet shockingly I have known people to so flout the rules of civilized discourse as to attack Obama, who is a person and not an institution. You should have a word with those pesky miscreants.
This site has quite a comprehensive list of the evidence
Let's look at it all then.
quote:Obama’s Occidental College Transcripts: Indonesian National, Islamic Religion
Since the agency in question didn't do what the document suggests Obama had them do, since it was released at an obviously dodgy time period, April 1st, since all the people associated with it are unknown and the alleged group doesn't exist and since it's just some handwriting on some paper which could be done by anybody with a pen....this is not evidence.
Yup he has a birth certificate certifying his birth in the US. Not evidence for you claims at all.
quote:A birth certificate suddenly appeared from Hawaii dated April 25, 2011
Not sudden, really, was it? There was 3 years of demands and whining by the right that preceded it. Not evidence that it is fake.
quote:However, there is not a single midwife or doctor in all of Hawaii who remembers helping Ann Stanley to bring Hussein into this world.
This is only evidence if you can show that midwifes typically do remember the identities of every mother they have helped through birth going back 50 years. Since I know human memory doesn't work this way, both through study of human memory, and by virtue of having a human memory I know this is not true and is thus irrelevant and evidence of nothing.
quote:Reports indicate that Ann Stanley returned to Hawaii about three years after Obama’s birth in Kenya and tried to register his birth as a US birth.
Reports not in evidence. A claim that evidence exists is not evidence.
Shocking, a birth certificate for Obama and it's from the Republic of Kenya in 1961! Oh wait, there was no Republic of Kenya in 1961. What's that? This is a forgery of somebody else's birth certificate? Somebody is still alive and confirmed this? And we have the original it was faked from? And it's not a Kenyan certificate but an Australian one?
Now there is an obvious forgery and a lie.
quote:Obama has been named in dozens of civil lawsuits alleging he is not eligible to be president, with many filing a criminal complaint alleging the commander-in-chief is a fraud.
Anybody can name anybody in a civil lawsuit, that's how it works. All of them were thrown out as previously discussed. Not evidence.
quote:One such soldier was U.S. Army Maj. Stefan Frederick Cook who was given orders to deploy to Afghanistan. Cook refused to deploy stating that he shouldn’t have to go because Obama is not a U.S. citizen and therefore not legally President and Commander in Chief. The military revoked the orders with no reason given. Speculation is that Obama would rather not see this thing go to court before a judge!
Speculation is not evidence. Also, the military did give a reason - it's perfectly fine to not go as he had VOLUNTEERED to go two months prior (when the Commander in Chief was....Obama?) - he had not been ordered to go.
quote:Obama’s Literary Agent in 1991 promoting his book ‘Journeys in Black and White‘ describing Obama as, born in Kenya, and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii’. How would Miriam Goderich come up with a ‘mistake’ like that unless she was told by Obama himself that he was born in Kenya, which is confirmed by the birth certificate and the school records from Indonesia.
Because Obama was a nobody and she was lazy. Kenya is in Obama's history. Speculation over how somebody else describes a person in an unimportant document, is not evidence.
quote:A biography of Obama’s Occidental College days states that when Obama was 18-19 he attended school as BARRY SOETORO.
Not it doesn't, and no evidence that it does is presented. Made up nonsense is not evidence.
That's it?
No wonder the courts both laughed at the people making these cases, and sanctioned them hundreds of thousands of dollars for wasting time.
I do not understand this thread at this late a date in his final term given the multiple cases where multiple courts have ruled that Obama met the constitutional requirements for the office he has been in for the last 8 years. This is worse than beating a dead horse. This horse has been beaten, buried and its rotting corpse exhumed so often the only thing left is adipocere.
What should be everyone's major concern here is that Obama has less the 5 weeks left in office to finally activate the millions of illegal Muslim terrorists he has hidden in our National Parks for the last 8 years, run them house-to-house to collect all the guns, capture and inter all the patriots in those WalMart FEMA camps, desolve the congress, declare himself "President for Life", convert the country to Islam, cede our sovereignty to the UN New World Order and crown himself "Queen of the May" in the Tulip Festival in Pella, Iowa.
That's a tall order to fill in such a short time. But if he can do it before Trump is inaugurated then we could all sit back and let out a collective sigh of relief and a heart felt "Thanks, Obama!"
And I've already said in - this thread - that I don't believe that you are a racist.
However, your alleged reasons for your prejudice against Obama are in fact just more examples of your prejudice against Obama. So that confession is pretty incomplete.
It's pretty fishy that we aren't allowed to see documents from Obama's school years, don't you think? If the one from Occidental is fake, there's still that problem. Doesn't that bother you?
If somebody is going around faking this stuff that's pretty depressing. But the documents that have been offered from Obama's side have all sorts of problems on them too. I hate to bring it up because I really don't want to have to go through all that again. I spent a lot of time looking at them when they first came out.
What about the publisher of his book, or his agent or whoever she was, who wrote in a blurb to the book that he was born in Kenya?
Same thing as with the grandmother: it takes weird rationalizations to dispense with both of those.
And the mailman's testimony? Was that a hoax too? He said Bill Ayers' wife, don't remember her name, had talked glowingly about their foreign exchange student, or words to that effect, and then he met him on one of his deliveries and he told him he was going to be President of the US some day. Just the fact that he was identified as foreign is enough without the strange "prophecy" but I have no reason to doubt the prophecy either yet. I'm sure you all can find one, of course.
However, your alleged reasons for your prejudice against Obama are in fact just more examples of your prejudice against Obama. So that confession is pretty incomplete.
The prejudice was based on all the stuff that had already come out about Obama's foreign birth, not just some reaction I personally have to the man.
But also of course the reasons I gave, which there shouldn't be any reason to doubt. Why would I have anything against him except for his political views? Why do you guys on the Left have this NEED to smear your opponents with hidden motives you can't prove? What is wrong with the reasons I gave? He's a Marxist, his mother was even an actual Communist, the men in his environment were all Marxists or Communists, -- abe: not to mention Bill Ayers /abe --he is imbued with that doctrine, which is as far from American foundational philosophy as you can get, but also it's specifically and pointedly anti-American. There is absolutely nothing Christian about anything he says, and he clearly favors Muslims in many ways, that also bothers me. There is also no doubt that he spent a lot of time in foreign countries among Muslim family members. What's wrong with THESE reasons for objecting to him? Why do you have to make stuff up about a baseless psychological "hate" to explain something that is openly stated?
You guys really know nothing at all about Islam, or if you do you just automatically discount it for some reason. Muslims are allowed to act like the "infidel" when it would be dangerous to the cause of Allah to expose their Muslim identity. They are allowed to lie to the "infidel." This is all in their "holy" writings.
ABE: However, Obama doesn't need to be a serious practicing Muslim to be Muslim at heart, or biased in favor of Muslims, because of his experience with Muslim family members.
I don't see why questions of Obama's eligibility shouldn't be pertinent at any time. They'll probably be an issue for years to come.
As for how it came up, as I recall somebody brought up Trump's now-repudiated "birther" remarks in the usual pejorative manner and I said I hadn't seen them convincingly disproved. That's enough to start an argument at EvC that lasts for weeks.
But you are right, the more pressing issues of the moment concern this election.
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The prejudice was based on all the stuff that had already come out about Obama's foreign birth, not just some reaction I personally have to the man
But foreign birth doesn't distinguish Obama from Cruz. The only relevant distinction I know is that there were questions about whether Cruz's mother was a U.S. Citizen at the time of his birth.
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But also of course the reasons I gave, which there shouldn't be any reason to doubt
Other than the fact that they are rather obviously false.
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Why would I have anything against him except for his political views?
Isn't that my point ? That you are consumed with hate for him because he was a Presidential candidate for the Democratic Party ?
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Why do you guys on the Left have this NEED to smear your opponents with hidden motives you can't prove?
I'd say that it is proven that your motives are not what you claimed. And let me point out that you are the one repeating smears here. What is your motivation for that ?
And your extended list is all about past associations which are hardly good reasons. Certainly no proof - or even good evidence - that Obama really is a Marxist.
The only real point is the vague claim that Obama "favours Muslims in many ways". And you don't even indicate that any of these ways are valid reasons to, say, consider him a Muslim as you claim - or even grounds for your resentment.
Are we really to believe that you pick out random people and believe every smear about them, while being highly sceptical of better supported claims about others ? Surely it is hardly unreasonable to think that you do have a reason - and you are certainly not saying what that reason is.
The prejudice was based on all the stuff that had already come out about Obama's foreign birth, not just some reaction I personally have to the man
But foreign birth doesn't distinguish Obama from Cruz. The only relevant distinction I know is that there were questions about whether Cruz's mother was a U.S. Citizen at the time of his birth.
The point was that Obama's foreign birth had been made a big issue for some time and was hotly contested on the level of facts. "All the stuff that had already come out" DOES distinguish Obama from Cruz. The argument about Cruz didn't involve layers of denial, it was argued on the basis of easily ascertained facts, a matter of the interpretation of those facts. Unlike the Obama situation where over and over the facts themselves seemed to be hidden under layers of deceit. And still are.
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