The Brand New Birther Thread

Really?

Irregardless means the same as regardless just as flammable and inflammable are synonyms. Edited by jar, : fix sub-title

Irregardless of whether the word exists, it means the same as "regardless".I never liked the word "irregardless". It sounds wrong. But I often hear it said.

Webster's calls it nonstandard. That's good enough for me.

I often see people use "wala" instead of "voila". I don't follow their lead either. Usage certainly does change over time, but both wala and irregardless are firmly in the sloppy and uninformed zone at this time.Edited by Capt Stormfield, : edir typo

I'm sure you could of come up with lots more examples.

Or colourful. Me likee colourful.

Wala Wala Washington Kalamazoo!

Swaller dollar califlower alley karoo

Don't we know archaic barrel?

I’m bringing over some of the discussion of Obama’s birth from the President election 2016 thread:Utterly obnoxious post by RAZD:RAZD just flatly states that the only reason anyone is questioning Obama’s birth is racism. Evidence he gives is that nobody has objected to Cruz’s candidacy. Speaking for myself, I had no idea Cruz was not born in the US until it came up in discussion here. I wonder how many others knew that.I think I would argue that either the Constitutional provision should be read absolutely literally to mean you have to be actually born on American soil, or mitigating circumstances have to be spelled out better. For instance I could argue that the main issues in the case of being born in a foreign country could involve whether both parents were US citizens at the time, and how long the candidate lived there among other things, and that the Constitution should even perhaps be rewritten to make all that clear. But Cruz was apparently himself a citizen of Canada which may be the main disqualifier in his case anyway. In any case Cruz’s ineligibility had nothing whatever to do with my reaction to Obama’s.To the accusation that it’s that he’s not one of us, of course we want a President who is one of us, meaning AN AMERICAN and AN AMERICAN AT HEART, with the best interests of the country at heart, which was certainly the intention of the Founders; and a lot of us feel that Obama has been anything but that. To accuse us of racism is really low, it’s not about race, certainly not for me. As I said, I would love to see Alan Keyes as President, for years I’ve thought that, because it’s not about race, it’s about worldview, it’s about being American from the heart.Next is the post by dwise who mostly argued with a side point I made about IF the claim is true that being born in Kenya doesn’t disqualify him and he went on and on about how I should have done enough research to be convined that it doesn’t. However, this is not anywhere near as open and shut as he makes it sound. It has not been settled at all . There are still many who believe it does disqualify him based on how they read that Constitutional passage.There’s also a lot more evidence that he was born in Kenya than the few bits I could remember: such as the publisher of his book who wrote that he was born in Kenya, and such as the documents that have come out from Occidental College showing that he requested aid as a foreign student. He’s also listed as a Muslim foreign student. Modulous went to a lot of trouble to list court cases that decided against arguments for Obama’s foreign birth. That’s pretty impressive I must say but my impression is that a lot of it was dismissed before any case was actually conducted, on the basis of a judgment that it was frivolous and that sort of thing, so actual evidence wasn’t seriously considered. And of course I’d have to read every case to find out what evidence WAS considered, because some evidence is better than others. This site has quite a comprehensive list of the evidence that has been collected that Obama was born in Kenya, at least that he was a foreigner when he came to the US to go to school. This latest information from Occidental College is pretty damning it seems to me. Indonesian foreign student applied for aid as a foreign student, faith listed as Muslim. I think most of the other evidence that’s been out there for years is good enough despite all the attempts to rationalize it away, but this one is particularly good.Another thing I just this minute heard about that needs to be checked out is that he traveled as Barry Soetoro from Indonesia to Pakistan in 1981 with an Indonesian passport which proves citizenship. Also in the company of "another" Muslim according to my source.

This 'news' came out in 2009. April 1st. Think about it. It was labelled as coming from the Associated Press, but did not follow standard guidelines of the AP. The group that supposedly released it, "Americans for Freedom of Information" didn't exist prior to the article's release (although a group by that name mocking those that fell for the April Fools Day joke popped up shortly therafter).The Occidental College says he attended as a US citizen under the name 'Barack Obama'. The American Indonesian Exchange Foundation does not give aid to undergraduates.The records claimed by the fictional group, aren't actually public information.Obvious fakery is obvious. I've lost count of the number of times your sources have lied to you, in fact I've lost count of the subset of times you conceded this to have been the case. My point there was that there was a LOT of effort put into Birther nonsense.The fact that multiple independent courts at all levels looked at the claims being made and found them absurd clearly doesn't deter you in the slightest.

I don't think that your hatred of Obama is due to racism, Faith. I think it has a lot to do with your love of hate, and your desire to destroy freedom in the U.S. Of course you will happily embrace any accusation - no matter how baseless if it is directed at anyone you hate. As we have seen.Cruz, of course is a Republican so of course the Right would not apply the same criteria to him. Double standards are endemic to the Right, because their strongest guiding principle is getting what they want and they have no interest in fairness or justice.According to the Constitution the Supreme Court determines the interpretation of the Constitution. If your argument is based purely on your interpretation - without reference to past Court decisions then you have not done the research. And if you don't know that much then you really haven't adequately considered the matter.Finally, you should realise that a court case is only dismissed as frivolous if the judge determines that it has no chance of success. It may be that those bringing the case failed because they were incompetent in other respects - but that hardly gives us cause to think that their assessment of the evidence is any good, and if there was a real case why wouldn't somebody competent bring it ? Surely the establishment Republicans could have done it.

Reading your posts has that train wreck fascination.You found something on a web page... You just heard something... You don't know the facts...Trump repeatedly leveled birther charges against Cruz during the primary. And folks have been throwing Cruz up in birthers faces ever since he elected to run. What other relevant facts have you refused to learn or accept?Seriously, why should anyone respond to what you post? Modulus is doing you a huge courtesy by taking you the least bit seriously. FWIW, I don't think you are a racist but the xenophobic stuff you spew here is sure not any improvement over racism.

The Ultimate Irony is that it wouldn't have mattered if Obama was born in Kenya. His mother is a US citizen, so Obama is automatically a citizen no matter where he is born. This is why Ted Cruz was allowed to run for President.So what reason was there for pursuing all of this birther nonsense? Let's just posit for the moment that Obama was born in Kenya and it is 2008. Now what? No court case is going to remove him from office because he is a US citizen through his mother. So what is the point?What other reason is there other than to make Obama look more like an undesirable black dude? I can't think of one. Ted Cruz looks generically white, and was born in Canada. Not one Republican made a stink about it, NOT EVEN TRUMP!! Here was Trump campaigning against a presidential candidate that openly admits he wasn't born in the US, and not one peep. WHY?????? The answer is obvious. It's Canada, and Ted Cruz is white.