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dwise1
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Message 31 of 200 (582894)
09-23-2010 7:33 PM
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09-23-2010 6:41 PM


Re: Theistic Ghettoism
How is public transportation? Are there available statistics on cultural, racial and income diversity?
Columbia, Maryland - Wikipedia and
Columbia, Maryland - Wikipedia, respectively.

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jar
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Message 32 of 200 (582896)
09-23-2010 7:46 PM
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09-23-2010 6:41 PM


Re: Theistic Ghettoism
How is public transportation? Are there available statistics on cultural, racial and income diversity?
Well, inside the actual planned community there is lots of data. The initial idea was to create a series of small villages, each one built around a central area, with a variety of homes, local shopping centers, jobs, a cultural center, interfaith centers, schools and health facilities all connected by walkways, bikeways, green spaces, mass transit.
Of course, the idea worked and so there has been lots of growth surrounding the area, and it is relatively uncontrolled. It's getting harder to pull out the demographics for the planned community since the current census area includes many of the cities that predated Columbia as well as the growth outside the planned community itself.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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hooah212002
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Message 33 of 200 (582923)
09-23-2010 9:38 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by Taq
09-23-2010 4:03 PM


If you replaced "mosque" with "jewish synagogue" is it still funny?
Yep.
Or replace "mosque" with "christian day care". Is it still funny?
HOW DARE YOU BLASPHEME THE HOLY SPIRIT!!!!!!!!

"What can be asserted without proof, can be dismissed without proof."-Hitch.

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Message 34 of 200 (582929)
09-23-2010 10:01 PM
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09-23-2010 9:38 PM


HOW DARE YOU BLASPHEME THE HOLY SPIRIT!!!!!!!!
Easy, now, hooah.
It is quite obvious that Taq has been touched by the devil and needs to be forgiven, and then burned in the lake of fire for all eternity.

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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 35 of 200 (582955)
09-24-2010 1:20 AM
Reply to: Message 18 by Taq
09-23-2010 4:03 PM


If you replaced "mosque" with "jewish synagogue" is it still funny? Or replace "mosque" with "christian day care". Is it still funny?
it could be though the funny names for some of the places do not make that much sense, a liquor store named Morehammered by a christian day care is well not that good of a joke?
Have you been to Continental Europe? A place that seems devoid of zoning; it is not uncommon to have a day care across the street from a sex shop, next door to a bar, if you are focused on your path it is really not a big deal.
If the only source of humor is the fact that it is muslims being made fun of then I fail to see the humor.
well i thouhgt it was funny, and intended to be funny. of course its low brow but that stuff is usually pretty funny.
If you replaced "mosque" with "jewish synagogue" is it still funny? Or replace "mosque" with "christian day care". Is it still funny?
If the only source of humor is the fact that it is muslims being made fun of then I fail to see the humor.
actually making fun of people is funny; I guess you find roasts crude, rude, offensive and devoid of humor as well?

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Message 36 of 200 (582964)
09-24-2010 1:51 AM
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09-24-2010 1:20 AM


Artemis Entreri writes:
Have you been to Continental Europe? A place that seems devoid of zoning; it is not uncommon to have a day care across the street from a sex shop, next door to a bar, if you are focused on your path it is really not a big deal.
Not in my country it isn't. And if there are sex shops and bars anywhere, it's in my country. There are restrictions on where buildings like bars, sex shops and coffee shops (for example) can be situated here (don't know the exact details, but you can't place them next to a school, for example).

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frako
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Message 37 of 200 (582976)
09-24-2010 2:50 AM
Reply to: Message 35 by Artemis Entreri
09-24-2010 1:20 AM


it could be though the funny names for some of the places do not make that much sense, a liquor store named Morehammered by a christian day care is well not that good of a joke?
Have you been to Continental Europe? A place that seems devoid of zoning; it is not uncommon to have a day care across the street from a sex shop, next door to a bar, if you are focused on your path it is really not a big deal.
uhh no although you can build a bar or sex shop in the vicinity of a school the closer you get the harder it is to get a license to run it, and if you do manage to get a bar next to a school you will have a special chair reserved for the inspector who is going to be looking if you check every id, so its kinda not a very good idea to build your bar right next to a school if you want to stay in Business.
but im guessing you went to amsterdam once in your life and saw the daycare center in the middle of the red light "road" it was placed there for the girls that workl there by a nun or someone similar

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Message 38 of 200 (582987)
09-24-2010 4:58 AM
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09-24-2010 2:50 AM


It's possible that Artemis is basing his opinions on somewhere like Prague, where in some parts of town you really can find a brothel, a school, a gambling bar, a police station and a drugs paraphenalia shop on the same street. The flaw in his point is the classic misassumption that continental Europe, with its millions of inhabitants and dozens of countries, is somehow all the same.
ABE: Now that I think about it, and of relevance to the topic, the specific bit of Prague I was thinking about with brothels and schools in spitting distance also has a church, but so does every part of the city built before the forties.
Edited by caffeine, : No reason given.

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onifre
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Message 39 of 200 (583235)
09-25-2010 4:17 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Straggler
09-23-2010 11:50 AM


I like the sound of waves crashing
So is this a genuine and worthwhile dig at intolerance?
If it's not a sarcasm-based joke, it's pretty good work for a bigot. And who said bigots can't be funny? Oh, I know who...
Anyway, I think it's a dig at intolerance, it seems too well thought out and humorous to be actual hate. It's definitely at the expense of Muslims though, just as every other joke is at the expense of someone or some group. But that's where the funny lies.
I mean c'mon, "You Mecca Me So Hot"...? That's comedy gold. So is "Turban Cowboy."
In fact, even if it's based on hate, it's funny nonetheless.
The best comedy comes from some truth. SNL did a sketch after the towers got hit about local businesses that had "Osama Bin Laden" sounding names feeling the financial stress after 9/11. This one strikes me as having a similar tone.
I forget the names of the businesses that SNL came up with but they were funny.
And besides, who wants total tolerance? Nothing would ever be funny then, there would be no funny stereotypes or mocking a group for the dumb shit they do.
Look, China Town smells like shit because the "Chinese people" there sell fish on the sidewalk. And I say "chinese" 'cause they all look chinese. Solly, that's just what it is.
Sometimes a gay guys acts silly wearing combat boots and daisy dukes, that shit is hilarious, and real. Just head to The Village or Santa Monica Blvd in the west coast. SSSSSssssorry, that's just what it is.
If tolerance means having to avoid this sort of humor, or the one in the e-mail, then fuck it, I'll enjoy intolerance. Sounds like more fun.
Does it make any worthwhile points? I think the point is that it's funny to deliberately offend people.
- Oni

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 40 of 200 (583243)
09-25-2010 4:53 PM
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09-23-2010 11:50 AM


Here's your subtitle
So is this a genuine and worthwhile dig at intolerance? Is it making a serious and worthwhile point? Is it anti-Islamic in nature? Is it just intended as a joke that shouldn't be taken too seriously?
Well, I lol'd (mission accomplished). "You-Mecca-Me-So-Hot."
Here's my answer: Who cares?

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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frako
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Message 41 of 200 (583247)
09-25-2010 5:01 PM
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09-25-2010 4:17 PM


Re: I like the sound of waves crashing
lol i really don't get those that cant take a joke on their expense in slovenija we have tons of different jokes depending on the part of slovenija you come from
gorenjska - well they dry and reuse their toilet paper, their schnapps is a glass of water and a hit on the back whit a bat .... they are deemed as being very stingy, basicly the Scots where thrown out of the gorenska region cause they spent to much.
tajerci and dolenci ( im from the dolenjska region) well a tajerc cant look at an empty glass, and a dolenc cant look at a full one,(we are basecly the drunks of the country) and we have our own mentality our glass is not half full or half empty we are that much closer to the next glass
and similar jokes or predjudice remarks for all our regions and no one gets medieval on anybody where in the rest of the world you show a caricature of mohammed and they burn your flag, you tell them god did not cause the big bang and they call you a satan worshiper .... lighten up people

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 42 of 200 (583248)
09-25-2010 5:03 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by Straggler
09-23-2010 12:01 PM


Re: Tolerance
I am inclined to agree in the sense that this blatantly targets Moslems.
The litmus test should be whether or not you would have the same reaction if it was any other group you are at odds with. Would you come to the aid of Christians if it were an email poking at them? Somehow I am skeptical that you would.
Some comedy is off-colored and offends some people. Let the people decide. You have the right to be offended, and I have the right to be offensive. A lot of comics careers have bombed because their joke wasn't received well. Let the audience decide.
But is there a serious point regarding religious intolerance in there too?
Yes, there's a good message in there about hypocrisy

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Straggler
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Message 43 of 200 (583263)
09-25-2010 8:17 PM
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09-25-2010 5:03 PM


Re: Tolerance
Hyro writes:
Straggler writes:
I am inclined to agree in the sense that this blatantly targets Moslems.
The litmus test should be whether or not you would have the same reaction if it was any other group you are at odds with.
Well if it had blatantly targeted Christians I would have said that it blatantly targeted Christians.
The only reason I might not have posted the same thing about Christians is that the whole Mosque moslem thing is a current issue.
And let's be honets) I am trying to stir things up between Rrhain and Oni by starting a thread on Mosques, Moslems bigotry and comedy all in one convenient location.

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Straggler
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Message 44 of 200 (583264)
09-25-2010 8:18 PM
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09-25-2010 4:17 PM


Re: I like the sound of waves crashing
Oni writes:
I think the point is that it's funny to deliberately offend people.
I am deeply offended by your stance on offending people.

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Message 45 of 200 (583268)
09-25-2010 8:29 PM
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09-25-2010 8:18 PM


Re: I like the sound of waves crashing
I am deeply offended by your stance on offending people.
Shove it, limey.
- Oni

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