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fearandloathing
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Message 16 of 175 (608775)
03-13-2011 4:23 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by frako
03-13-2011 3:32 PM


frako writes:

Lol ours (only got one,only 2 million of us dont need more) is also built on a faultline tough safe from tcunamies.

dunno why they built it there probably the worst spot to put it in slovenija.

Yea looks like it sits in the middle of some fine agricultural land and less than 6 or 7 kilometers from 2 population centers and a large airport. Krsko and Brezice, looks like a lot people live witin 12 kilometers of the plant, not to mention Cerklje airfeild, wich looks military??


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DBlevins
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Message 17 of 175 (608794)
03-13-2011 7:12 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by frako
03-13-2011 8:34 AM


Nuclear Power Plant Problems
I seem to recall some issues that the company that built and operates the plant had in 2007 when another earthquake struck. They would not allow the IAEA to asist in determining the extent of damage that might have occured to the plant. The company (TEPCo?) also built the plant to withstand a max 7.9 magnitude earthquake, while this one was rated as a 8.8-9.0.

*There might have been some other issues with falsification of paperwork supplied to the government about the risk of building on a fault line but I haven't taken the time to look again where I had read the report.


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Message 18 of 175 (608795)
03-13-2011 7:14 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by fearandloathing
03-13-2011 4:23 PM


Krsko and Brezice, looks like a lot people live witin 12 kilometers of the plant

Yeai they do get some compensation for living near a nuclear powerplant, and the closest ones had the opertunity to sell their property at a verry good price

wich looks military??

yea the only military airfield in slovenija

the gratest problem tough is that its built on a faultline, tough the plant is built to withstand erthquakes i think its still a stupid idea to build one in aplace where a massive erthaquake is more probable. Well its only gona run for a decade or 2 we alredy have debates of what to do build a nother nuclear plant or ahidro plant, personaly i think it would be better to build a hydro plant no hazardus waste to dispoze off witch costs money, and i wish the stupid green guys would stick their head out of their ars and listen and let us build windturbines cause they think the wind turbines might kill birds if a bird is dumb enough to run in to a blade of a windturbine it deservesto die < --- evolution seriusly tough i never heard of such bullshit


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DBlevins
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Message 19 of 175 (608796)
03-13-2011 7:17 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Percy
03-13-2011 7:21 AM


Surviving after a disaster
Finding food, water and shelter are now the most pressing need for the survivors. There was still snow on the ground in parts of the surrounding countryside of Sendai and there are little to no utilities online for millions. No water and no electricity for millions is another disaster, albeit a slow one.

*On a side note, a 60 year old man was found clinging to the roof of his house after two days, about 9 miles out a sea. Thankfully a military vessel spotted him. Hopefully there will be more miracles like his.


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frako
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Message 20 of 175 (608797)
03-13-2011 7:38 PM


wow first there was one reactor then there where 2 now a 3d one is having problems with its pump.
    
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Message 21 of 175 (608800)
03-13-2011 8:08 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by frako
03-13-2011 2:40 PM


frako writes:

Damm this erthquake was powerfull we mesured it and we are practicly on the other side of the globe. The days got shorter by 1 milisecond i think and the erths tilt got mowed by 10 cm.

Here in Copenhagen, Denmark, the ground moved 4mm up and down during the earthquake. Not enough to be felt by any one but sensors, but still quite remarkable.


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CosmicChimp
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Message 22 of 175 (608810)
03-13-2011 11:45 PM


Reactor Number 3 (the second to explode)
Here is video of another reactor blowing up:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIZKlaEZMLY

Fukushima Reactor Remains Intact After Hydrogen Explosion, Official Says
There are some 'religious' commenters out there on the interwebs breaking hearts and showing a general disregard for any human decency with their cruel remarks, over all of this. It behooves us to bring forth and put into action our most prized human possession; our love and the mountains moved because we care.

Edited by CosmicChimp, : added news story link

Edited by CosmicChimp, : video embedding


  
frako
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Message 23 of 175 (608825)
03-14-2011 7:22 AM


A nuclear phisisist Paddy Ragan from the Surry university said that the radiation comming from Fukušima has roughly the same efects astaking an x ray. This kind of statment would not calm me down since i had an x ray or 2 done, you get a led shield on theprats ofthe body they dont want to see, and the doctors go out of the x ray chamber and you are only exposed for a few seconds, while the people in the vicinity are exposed 24/7
    
Huntard
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Message 24 of 175 (608827)
03-14-2011 8:31 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by Son
03-13-2011 10:36 AM


Son writes:

Hmm, 15:55-14:46 = 1h09min. Is there a typo somewhere?


Hmm indeed. Now I can't seem to find the report where I read the times, so it was either a typo, or it was me being wrong with math, something entirely possible as well.

In any case, evacution isn't something that can be organised that quickly, I think. They were damned one way or the other.


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Peter
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Message 25 of 175 (608828)
03-14-2011 8:47 AM
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03-14-2011 8:31 AM


Er ...
Quake was said to be 50 miles off shore, and someone said 50 mile per hour for the Tsunami ... so an hour would be about right, wouldn't it?

Not very long to get out of the way though ....


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dronester
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Message 26 of 175 (608830)
03-14-2011 9:55 AM


for Rahvin . . .
From the "American Budget Cuts" thread (it is closed so I am replying here), Rahvin writes:

Rhavin writes:

{I am} a huge supporter of nuclear power as the cheapest, cleanest, SAFEST and most plentiful method of power generation currently available.

SAFEST, bolded by me.

In light of the potential catastrophic problem in Japan regarding their nuclear power-plants, are you still enamored with nuclear power?

And besides natural disasters, what about potential terrorist attacks on nuclear power plants? Seems the 9/11 terrorists could have done a lot more damage if . . .

Japan evacuates thousands from vicinity of two nuclear power plants
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.../03/11/AR2011031103673.html

Japan earthquake: nuclear disaster feared after power plant 'explosion'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/...ter-power-plant-explosion.html

Edited by dronester, : clarity

Edited by dronester, : typos


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jar
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Message 27 of 175 (608832)
03-14-2011 10:39 AM
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03-14-2011 9:55 AM


Re: for Rahvin . . .
I certainly am still a strong supporter of nuclear power.


Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Huntard
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Message 28 of 175 (608833)
03-14-2011 10:47 AM
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03-14-2011 9:55 AM


Re: for Rahvin . . .
jar writes:

I certainly am still a strong supporter of nuclear power.


As am I.
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dronester
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Message 29 of 175 (608838)
03-14-2011 12:16 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by Huntard
03-14-2011 10:47 AM


Re: for Rahvin . . .
Huntard and Jar,

If a natural or man-made disaster causes another Chernobyl catastrophe, would you then still be a strong supporter?

How many lives lost would it take for you to change your mind? Hundreds? Thousands? Millions?

(I am not "anti-nuclear power", but I am curious with your response, as I think the latest news in Japan SHOULD at least give reflection)


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jar
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Message 30 of 175 (608840)
03-14-2011 12:20 PM
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03-14-2011 12:16 PM


Re: for Rahvin . . .
dronester writes:

Huntard and Jar,

If a natural or man-made disaster causes another Chernobyl catastrophe, would you then still be a strong supporter?

How many lives lost would it take for you to change your mind? Hundreds? Thousands? Millions?

(I am not "anti-nuclear power", but I am curious with your response, as I think the latest news in Japan SHOULD at least give reflection)

I could not answer that since it is far too vague and open. I don't see Chernobyl as a major catastrophe though.

It would take a very large loss of live to change my mind though, far higher than in any nuclear power scenario I can currently imagine.

Chernobyl was not as much a nuclear power failure as a human failure and we will always see those. We simply need to learn from them, and blaming it on nuclear power is only a sign that we did not really learn the lesson there.


Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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