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Author Topic:   Chariots of God (Scripture & Photo Examined)
jaywill
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Message 196 of 1310 (751761)
03-05-2015 2:33 PM
Reply to: Message 195 by Faith
03-05-2015 11:05 AM


Re: Witness Lee
Thank you very much, very interesting. I love Watchman Nee, who is often associated with Witness Lee, but always found Lee to be strange and questionable. However, what you've been saying is interesting so I'll do some more reading. Thanks again
You are quite welcomed.
The Lee verses Nee matter I do not find at all valid.
I get stirred up when I hear Christians attempt to drive some kind of wedge between these two servants of God.
But I am glad that you are at least somewhat opened to look into Witness Lee's marvelous ministry.
Now I know that in one or two posts or even perhaps in one lengthy discussion, I am not likely to change some misgivings about brother Witness Lee. I would only testify that the defamatory hype which has been concocted to drive a wedge between the ministry of Watchman Nee and that of Witness Lee is not valid.
Lee was the most trusted of Nee's co-workers. And the reason that Watchman Nee refused Witness Lee's request to remain in Mainland China to be martyred along with Nee and the others led to stay under the Communist was because Watchman insisted that he go to Taiwan.
In essence he said (not verbatim) "There is the possibility that the enemy will wipe out completely what God has accomplished through us here in China. If you go and we are stopped by the Communists, at least we will still have something remaining."
This is a paraphrase of the conversation which took place. And I would advize you to pray much to see if negative propaganda has had any enfluence on your suspicions that God did not continue to move through Witness Lee's ministry after Watchman Nee's imprisonment.
Have you read the articles in the Apologetics Magazine of (CRI) Christian Research Institute entitled "We Were Wrong" ?
http://www.equipresources.org/site/apps/ka/ec/product.asp
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Theodoric
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Message 197 of 1310 (751764)
03-05-2015 2:41 PM
Reply to: Message 196 by jaywill
03-05-2015 2:33 PM


Re: Witness Lee
So you are hijacking someones thread. Thanks for confirming.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 198 of 1310 (751765)
03-05-2015 2:53 PM
Reply to: Message 196 by jaywill
03-05-2015 2:33 PM


Re: Witness Lee hijacking
As has been noted, this is hijacking of the thread.
Please restrict posting to the subject of Ezekiel's Wheels, particularly as described by the OP.
Do not bother responding to this post.

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jaywill
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Message 199 of 1310 (751769)
03-05-2015 3:00 PM
Reply to: Message 197 by Theodoric
03-05-2015 2:41 PM


Re: Witness Lee
So you are hijacking someones thread. Thanks for confirming.
No. I do not think my contributions on the vision of Ezekiel are highjacking the thread. If someone thinks I am completely off topic then I would be happy to start another thread on Ezekiel's vision.
Maybe some of you skeptics are having too much fun already disbunking this so-called "photograph" of the Holy Spirit. I thought in Bible Study maybe some would be interested in a study of the Bible somewhat more on the passages.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
I have not read every post on this discussion. So I am not sure what you are talking about on "facts are facts."
Interpretation is interpretation. What we can ask is is an interpretation of a difficult portion of the Bible valid or reasonable. In a biblical context I would stand by what small amount of interpretation I have done so far.
Jar challenged something. I gave my reasons for dismissing his challenge.
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
What I find somewhat lazy so far from you is how what I have written on Ezekiel's vision is not reasonable interpretation. Just parroting "God did it" seems to me irrelevant. It seems you are using some kind of canned responses knee jerk style.
God did what ?
God gave Ezekiel a VISION ??
Yea, I believe God DID THAT.
God gave the prophet Ezekiel a vision.
So what ?
My contribution is about how to glean some understanding of this mysterious vision.
It is about a Divine and Human coordination and cooperation. This strange apparatus of one like a man on the throne about these four creatures and strange awesome wheels full of eyes, speaks of God and His creature (especially man) moving together in utter harmonious coordination.
This is how God longed that He and His nation Israel would have been coordinated together.
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jaywill
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Message 200 of 1310 (751770)
03-05-2015 3:10 PM


The OP says
To understand Eezikiel's Vision of God we must consult scripture. I will be using scripture from the Holy Bible
Is it valid or invalid to consult then Scripture in this thread to "understand Ezekiel's vision" ?
ANYONE ?
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jaywill
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Message 201 of 1310 (751772)
03-05-2015 3:24 PM
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03-05-2015 2:41 PM


Re:
So you are hijacking someones thread. Thanks for confirming.
The OP says that the starter of the thread will consult scriptures to assist in the ascertaining of the meaning of Ezekiel's vision.
I joined in the discussion to do just that myself.
So your discussion is not being hijacked.
I have no more comment on the photograph.
If paying less attention to that photograph and more attention to the passage in the book of Ezekiel is "hijacking" the thread, I don't think its the discussion that is being hijacked.
Someone's roasting of a crackpot idea that the Holy Spirit can be photographed may be being "hijacked" to someone's dismay. Where's the rule that I cannot consult scripture to discuss the vision as the OP said ?
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Theodoric
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Message 202 of 1310 (751774)
03-05-2015 3:34 PM
Reply to: Message 199 by jaywill
03-05-2015 3:00 PM


Re: Witness Lee
I have not read every post on this discussion.
Then why are you posting? Did you even read the OP? It is about the relationship between Ezekial and the lame photos.
I have not read every post on this discussion. So I am not sure what you are talking about on "facts are facts."
That would be my signature. It is on all my posts.
What I find somewhat lazy so far from you is how what I have written on Ezekiel's vision is not reasonable interpretation. Just parroting "God did it" seems to me irrelevant. It seems you are using some kind of canned responses knee jerk style.
Again this is my signature it on the end of all my posts. Nice knee jerk reaction.
My contribution is about how to glean some understanding of this mysterious vision.
It is about a Divine and Human coordination and cooperation. This strange apparatus of one like a man on the throne about these four creatures and strange awesome wheels full of eyes, speaks of God and His creature (especially man) moving together in utter harmonious coordination.
This is how God longed that He and His nation Israel would have been coordinated together.
Does this actually say anything?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 203 of 1310 (751775)
03-05-2015 3:39 PM
Reply to: Message 196 by jaywill
03-05-2015 2:33 PM


Re: Witness Lee
Just to be clear, and hopefully not contributing to any hijacking of the thread, I'm not up on the controversy between the two teachers, I simply discovered Watchman Nee to be wonderfully inspiring and able to explain the most complex aspects of spiritual life in an amazingly lucid and practical way, which leads me to reread some of his work over and over. In fact I've been rereading parts of The Spiritual Man over the last week or so.
But my experience of Lee has been limited to very brief encounters with some of his writing that just didn't inspire me at all and seemed to me to be at odds with Watchman Nee. But it's been a long time and I don't remember what I read of Lee's. I just never went back to him but continued to follow Nee.
Since you posted this link I've been reading Lee's study of Ezekiel and finding it quite fascinating so perhaps you've led me to another inspiring teacher. (By the way I always find myself alone in my appreciation of the "deeper" or "higher life" Christian writers, so it's nice to know there are still people out there who have the same appreciation.)
Will download the CRI article.
ABE: OOPS. Sorry, this is definitely off topic. Sorry sorry sorry.
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Message 204 of 1310 (751780)
03-05-2015 3:56 PM
Reply to: Message 200 by jaywill
03-05-2015 3:10 PM


Is it valid or invalid to consult then Scripture in this thread to "understand Ezekiel's vision" ?
ANYONE ?
Maybe it would help if you explain how Message 186 and Message 188 have anything to do with Ezekiel's vision.

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Message 205 of 1310 (751781)
03-05-2015 4:03 PM
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03-05-2015 3:39 PM


NEE AND LEE NOT ON TOPIC
The controversy surrounding Watchman Nee and Witness Lee is not on topic for this thread.
Last warning.

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jaywill
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Message 206 of 1310 (751790)
03-05-2015 7:34 PM
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03-05-2015 4:03 PM


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jaywill
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Message 207 of 1310 (751791)
03-05-2015 7:40 PM
Reply to: Message 202 by Theodoric
03-05-2015 3:34 PM


Point taken that "Facts are facts" is just a little ID identification.

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jaywill
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Message 208 of 1310 (751792)
03-05-2015 7:42 PM
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03-05-2015 3:34 PM


Re: Witness Lee
quote:
Does this actually say anything?
Does this actually ask anything ?

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Theodoric
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Message 209 of 1310 (751797)
03-05-2015 10:41 PM
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03-05-2015 7:42 PM


Re: Witness Lee
Does this actually ask anything ?
Are you incapable of reading a simple sentence? What you wrote was word salad. I can gather know actual meaning from the words. It sounds all highfaluting but in actuality it doesn't seem to really say anything and certainly not about the topic other than you put the phrase Ezekials wheel into it.
Alas, this is all off topic. I am sorry so I feel we should end this. If you really want to make a witty one line retort you really need to brush up on your skills.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 210 of 1310 (751811)
03-06-2015 7:12 AM
Reply to: Message 167 by New Cat's Eye
03-04-2015 3:34 PM


Why don't you looked up. "he saw the Spirit" in scripture. You may want to look up the word blasphemy as well.

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