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cooperjr
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Message 47 of 63 (33982)
03-09-2003 1:35 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by Chara
11-24-2002 10:22 PM


The Flood
With respect to God and His infinite power to create and destroy should we who operate at best using 7% perhaps of our brain limit His ability to replenish the earth? He created everything in a week so allow Him to provide for Noah. I refer you to Patriarchs and Prophets by EG White and the chapters beginning with The Flood. The scientific achievements of the Antideluvians far surpass anything we know today. Rene Norenburger has also written a book, which may be out of print in which certain things have been found buried deep within the earth of alloys unknown to us of this day.

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tamijudah
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Message 48 of 63 (33985)
03-09-2003 2:49 PM


thanks
ok.. thank you for your imput. It will help me in my future debate on the 16th of this month... any other imput will help to.. tami judah
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peanutbean6111
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Message 49 of 63 (39742)
05-11-2003 5:27 PM


ON THE ARK: How did the animals eat?
It says in Gensis 6:21, "And remember, take enough food for your family and for all the animals." This clearly states that enough food was taken for all the animals as well as Noah and his family! Nothing else can be implicated from this simple passage. Now, go read the Bible some more.
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Brianna
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peanutbean6111
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Message 50 of 63 (39743)
05-11-2003 5:37 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by LudvanB
01-29-2002 2:15 PM


In the Bible, Genesis 6:21 it states, "And rememeber, take enough food for your family and for all the animals." Consequently, once the flood receded, there was enough food for the animals, Noah, and his family... and when seeds could fully take root and produced fruit, it was then that they were able to eat off the land. Just some "food for thought". No pun intended!!
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Brianna
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peanutbean6111
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Message 51 of 63 (39744)
05-11-2003 5:39 PM
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01-29-2002 2:15 PM


There was a world wide flood!
In the Bible, Genesis 6:21 it states, "And rememeber, take enough food for your family and for all the animals." Consequently, once the flood receded, there was enough food for the animals, Noah, and his family... and when seeds could fully take root and produced fruit, it was then that they were able to eat off the land. Just some "food for thought". No pun intended!!
Christ lives in me!
Brianna
HIT ME WITH ANOTHER QUESTION!

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Brian
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Message 52 of 63 (39746)
05-11-2003 5:59 PM
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05-11-2003 5:39 PM


Re: There was a world wide flood!
Here's a few for you.
How much food exactly would Noah have to take aboard this Ark?
How many animals were on it?
How long does it take for the land to become fertile again after a year long flood?
How did Noah keep all the meat for the carnivores fresh?
When exactly was this flood meant to have happened?
Why is there no evidence of a worldwide flood at anytime?
How on earth could Noah live to the age of 950? (is this a literal 950 years?)

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NosyNed
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Message 53 of 63 (39750)
05-11-2003 6:17 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by cooperjr
03-09-2003 1:35 PM


Re: The Flood
Rene Norenburger has also written a book, which may be out of print in which certain things have been found buried deep within the earth of alloys unknown to us of this day.
And just what makes you believe this book?
The 7% (actually 10 %) use of our brain is a long standing urban myth.
Neuroscience For Kids - 10% of the Brain Myth ( a light weight treatment )
The Ten-Percent Myth | Skeptical Inquirer (better with discussion of evidence).
He created everything in a week so allow Him to provide for Noah.
No, I don't. The dicussion is around scientific issues including so called "scientific" creationism. If miracles are included as an explanation then there is no discussion and no science.

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NosyNed
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Message 54 of 63 (39751)
05-11-2003 6:17 PM
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03-09-2003 1:35 PM


Re: The Flood
edited to remove duplicate post
[This message has been edited by NosyNed, 05-11-2003]

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Mangetout
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Message 55 of 63 (39770)
05-11-2003 8:08 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by cooperjr
03-09-2003 1:35 PM


Re: The Flood
quote:
The scientific achievements of the Antideluvians far surpass anything we know today
Except in the maritime arena, apparently?
quote:
Rene Norenburger has also written a book, which may be out of print in which certain things have been found buried deep within the earth of alloys unknown to us of this day
What sort of things? What kind of alloys? How about a cite from an available source? Surely this would be huge news and would appear in all kinds of publications, wouldn't it?

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Coragyps
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Message 56 of 63 (39771)
05-11-2003 8:11 PM
Reply to: Message 50 by peanutbean6111
05-11-2003 5:37 PM


Hi, Brianna! How many species of animal do you think there are at present? How many when this ark was built? You can limit your count to those that have nostrils, if you think that's the only sort that Noah needed to shelter.
Quite a few predators will only eat live prey: bats, snakes.... How were they fed?
What does saturation in seawater do the ability of soil to support plant life, particularly crops like barley and wheat? Or olive trees?
How did all those marsupials get to Australia after the flood, with no placental mammals getting mixed in? Did the blind "marsupial moles" (the Notoryctidae) burrow all the way?
Where did Noah find enough eucalyptus leaves to feed the koalas, and enough bamboo to feed the giant pandas, out in Mesopotamia somewhere?
And welcome to C vs E!

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John
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Message 57 of 63 (39774)
05-11-2003 8:38 PM
Reply to: Message 50 by peanutbean6111
05-11-2003 5:37 PM


quote:
HIT ME WITH ANOTHER QUESTION!
How about I hit you with a reference?
If you jump way back to post #11 of this thread you'll find much discussion about the effects of a flood.
EvC Forum: Question about this so called World Wide Flood.
You may also check out this one:
EvC Forum: Insect diversity falsifies the worldwide flood.
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Buzsaw
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Message 58 of 63 (39779)
05-11-2003 11:31 PM
Reply to: Message 56 by Coragyps
05-11-2003 8:11 PM


quote:
Quite a few predators will only eat live prey: bats, snakes.... How were they fed?
The Bible indicates that man was a vegetarian before the flood and implies that the animals were also. There was so much delicious and varied vegetation because of the super climate the terrarium atmosphere canopy indicated then. Imo, this condition will return during the millenial messianic rule soon to come. The prophecies have the lion "eating straw like the ox," when this occurs.
quote:
What does saturation in seawater do the ability of soil to support plant life, particularly crops like barley and wheat? Or olive trees?
Imo, the flood wasn't sea water. Most of the flood waters came from the vapor canopy which condensed and fell to earth. It would have diluted the relatively small bodies of earth water that may have had some salt content.
quote:
How did all those marsupials get to Australia after the flood, with no placental mammals getting mixed in? Did the blind "marsupial moles" (the Notoryctidae) burrow all the way?
The continents wouldn't have divided totally until the frozen Arctic and Antarctic waters melted enough to sink the thin crusts of the earth to the present depth of the deep oceans and thus pushing the high mountain ranges to their present height.
quote:
Where did Noah find enough eucalyptus leaves to feed the koalas, and enough bamboo to feed the giant pandas, out in Mesopotamia somewhere?
Likely he factored that in before embarking with a good supply. Then too, though these creatures loath the euclyptus, likely there were other things for them to survive on.

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Coragyps
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Message 59 of 63 (39780)
05-11-2003 11:56 PM
Reply to: Message 58 by Buzsaw
05-11-2003 11:31 PM


The Bible indicates that man was a vegetarian before the flood and implies that the animals were also.
Chapter & verse? And how, exactly, did those antediluvian snakes and ticks and lions and leeches chew their food?
Imo, the flood wasn't sea water. Most of the flood waters came from the vapor canopy which condensed and fell to earth. It would have diluted the relatively small bodies of earth water that may have had some salt content.
Where did all this fresh water disappear to? How did it avoid killing all those forms of sealife that must have seawater to live?
The continents wouldn't have divided totally until the frozen Arctic .....
Allowing more time for marsupials to get mixed up with placentals on their way to Oz? This reply doesn't even address the question: Why koalas and bilbies in Australia and nowhere else? Why no cats or rabbits in Australia until Europeans arrived?
terrarium atmosphere canopy indicated then.
If this "canopy" held enough water to fill even half of our present seas, would you care to hear an estimate of what the atmospheric pressure would have been? Would you be interested in knowing what the percentage of oxygen was? Would you like to see a vapor-pressure chart to indicate the temperatures required to keep that water as vapor?

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Percy
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Message 60 of 63 (39815)
05-12-2003 4:19 PM
Reply to: Message 58 by Buzsaw
05-11-2003 11:31 PM


buzsaw writes:
The Bible indicates that man was a vegetarian before the flood and implies that the animals were also.
Where does the Bible indicate this? Livestock existed before the flood, and there were livestock on the ark:
Genesis 7:21 Every living thing that moved on the earth perished - birds, livestock, wild animals, all the creatures that swarm over the earth, and all mankind.
Genesis 8:1 But God remembered Noah and all the wild animals and the livestock that were with him in the ark, and he sent a wind over the earth, and the waters receded.
The animal kingdom had already been divided into the clean and the unclean before the flood. Clean animals were those that the followers of the Lord could eat, and unclean animals were those they could not. God instructs Noah to bring both clean and unclean animals onto the ark, so clearly man was already eating clean animals before the flood:
Genesis 7:2 Take with you seven of every kind of clean animal, a male and its mate, and two of every kind of unclean animal, a matle and its mate...
Immediately upon disembarcking Noah sacrifices clean animals, a liturgical activity he was evidently already familiar with:
Genesis 8:20 Then Noah built an altar to the Lord and, taking some of all the clean animals and clean birds, he sacrificed burnt offerings on it.
Outside the Bible we know from archeological and paleontological investigations that man was already hunting and eating animals many thousands of years before the supposed world-wide flood, for which there is no evidence anyway.
The bottom line is that not only is there no evidence that man was a vegetarian before the flood, even the Bible indicates that pre-flood man ate meat.
--Percy
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Rrhain
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Message 61 of 63 (40129)
05-14-2003 6:49 PM
Reply to: Message 58 by Buzsaw
05-11-2003 11:31 PM


Let us not forget that the Bible makes a distinction between animals that are "clean" and animals that are "unclean."
That distinction is whether or not you are allowed to eat them.
If humans were vegetarians before the flood, how would Noah know the difference?
And afterward, since he had been a vegetarian for 600 years, why would he change his diet? Especially when there are so few clean animals to use? It would take years to create a viable stock large enough where you could cull individuals for food and not cause a genetic catastrophe.
And for that matter, why was Abel a shepherd?
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