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Author Topic:   Articulating In The Debates; The Proper And The Improper.
crashfrog
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Message 181 of 192 (593424)
11-27-2010 1:43 AM
Reply to: Message 180 by purpledawn
11-26-2010 5:06 PM


Re: Understanding Through Discussion
So there are other versions, but you still don't want to provide a link to the specific study you have in mind or clarify what that has to do with what I've said about profanity.
I don't have any specific study in mind, and I've already laid out at length what it has to do with profanity - people determine what is right or wrong based on cues from the people around them.
If you still have questions about my position, you need to ask more specific questions, not telling lies about how I've refused to explain my meaning.
No that isn't my position
...and? Would you care to elaborate or inform us as to what your position really is? I mean, talk about not following through - you abandoned that train of thought so quickly you forgot to take the period with you!
I already did.
Where did you? Be specific.
I linked to them in the previous post.
No, you didn't. Messages 104 and 130 are responses to my points, not clarifications of your positions. In several of your remarks, you don't "clarify", you contradict yourself by denying positions you previously were asserting.
Except that I haven't said that.
Except that you did, as I have repeatedly quoted you doing.
I'm done with the he said, she said.
I don't understand what this refers to. We don't have competing testimony about events that only the two of us were privy to, so I don't see how we could possibly be in a "he said, she said" situation. We're talking about remarks and arguments that you have made on the record, which are instantly available to anyone who chooses to go back and read them.
Edited by crashfrog, : No reason given.

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purpledawn
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Message 182 of 192 (593429)
11-27-2010 3:04 AM
Reply to: Message 181 by crashfrog
11-27-2010 1:43 AM


Misunderstanding Through Discussion
quote:
I don't understand what this refers to. We don't have competing testimony about events that only the two of us were privy to, so I don't see how we could possibly be in a "he said, she said" situation. We're talking about remarks and arguments that you have made on the record, which are instantly available to anyone who chooses to go back and read them.
I apologize, I've used the phrase incorrectly. I'm referring to the fact that our discussion has devolved into the "no I didn't, yes you did" realm. We are no longer discussing the topic.
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Tram law
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Message 183 of 192 (593555)
11-27-2010 6:45 PM


You see, I think it's really sad that people can't see past an occasional curse word. Here's the way I picture it. let's say there's a brilliant man out there who comes up with a cure for both cancer and aids.
But, every once in a while, because his work contain the occasional curse word, it will be banned out of fear of turning people's head into mush.
This is a sad sad sad sad sad sad world.

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Panda
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Message 184 of 192 (593556)
11-27-2010 6:53 PM
Reply to: Message 183 by Tram law
11-27-2010 6:45 PM


Tram law writes:
But, every once in a while, because his work contain the occasional curse word, it will be banned out of fear of turning people's head into mush.
What would the world be like if Archimedes had jumped from his bath shouting: "Fuck my shitballs!".

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jar
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Message 185 of 192 (593557)
11-27-2010 6:55 PM
Reply to: Message 183 by Tram law
11-27-2010 6:45 PM


However no one has suggested banning or even censoring; what has been said is that how a person expresses themselves can have an effect on whether or not others listen.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Tram law
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Message 186 of 192 (593570)
11-27-2010 7:53 PM
Reply to: Message 185 by jar
11-27-2010 6:55 PM


Not for this forum anyway. I've been on forums where I've gotten into trouble because I occasionally curse even though the rules don't allow for it and also because I don't use tact.
Ah well, that's life.
That's what people say.
Sometimes there seems to be no balance, that it's either an all or nothing deal.
Edit:
And also, I wish more people would learn to go by what people actually say rather than how they sounded. It might make things better for the world.
Edited by Tram law, : No reason given.

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purpledawn
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Message 187 of 192 (593632)
11-28-2010 7:55 AM
Reply to: Message 186 by Tram law
11-27-2010 7:53 PM


Balance - Common Courtesy
quote:
Sometimes there seems to be no balance, that it's either an all or nothing deal.
In our daily lives most people don't act or talk exactly the same in various social situations as they do at home.
It's usually considered inappropriate to discuss gross things at the dinner table. If my family is not bothered by such a discussion, we will discuss such things at the dinner table. That changes when we have company over, we go out to a restaurant or to a party.
People do the same with offensive language. I seriously doubt that the brilliant person you describe would have presented his findings with profanity, mild or otherwise. People also aren't afraid their minds will turn to mush. We use exaggeration to make points also and sometimes that isn't appropriate around people who don't understand that we are exaggerating. The point is that all things aren't considered appropriate in all situations and cultures.
In this type of written forum, we can sit at home behind our computers naked or in PJ's and picking our nose or farting till the cows come home; but our words are going to the public arena. We don't have to have on makeup, shave, or fix our hair; but when we leave the house and go into the public arena we put on appropriate attire for the occasion, make ourselves presentable, and we refrain from picking our noses or farting (loudly anyway if we can help it ). We also adjust when company comes over to our house.
Not everyone is offended by profanity on this board, but some are. If one person asks me to refrain from profanity or even a specific level of profanity when conversing with them (not everyone else), are they really asking too much in a public arena? Maybe they can tolerate mild profanity, but not the sexual profanity or overuse of such. The choice is mine, whether to comply or not. It's the same when we go out in public.
On the other hand we can have people who are offended by the act of being asked to adjust, whether it is profanity, grammar, slang, style, behavior, etc.
offend: to cause to feel vexation or resentment usually by violation of what is proper or fitting
IMO, those who are least offended will usually comply.
Courteous behavior shows respect for others.
Civilized life cannot be sustained without hypocrisy. A certain moral code, a degree of courtesy and decorum, are necessary to keep our instincts under a modicum of control. Ian Buruma, New York Review of Books, 2 Nov. 2006
quote:
And also, I wish more people would learn to go by what people actually say rather than how they sounded.
That's the kicker. In this medium we don't have the audio or visual. No tone or inflection or body language. Just the words. The reader applies the tone, inflection or body language. When you read posts, do you read with no emotion? How do you decide which emotion to use?
I don't believe anyone sits behind their computer and thinks in monotones.
Disclaimer: My argument above does not imply that I know how to behave perfectly in all situations.

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frako
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Message 188 of 192 (593633)
11-28-2010 8:18 AM
Reply to: Message 187 by purpledawn
11-28-2010 7:55 AM


Re: Balance - Common Courtesy
Disclaimer: My argument above does not imply that I know how to behave perfectly in all situations.
Cause there is no perfect way to behave. In sompe places it is impolite to burp after a meal, in other places it is Impolite not to burp if you do not it says to the cook that the meal was bad.
In some places it is impolite to leave something on the plate with this action you are saying that the food was bad, in other places it is impolite to to eat everything on the plate it can be taken that the portion was not big enough.
The Ok sign you make with your fingers is in some places interpreted as ok in other places as calling someone an asshole or a gay.
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It totaly depends on the culture you are in.

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purpledawn
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Message 189 of 192 (593638)
11-28-2010 8:50 AM
Reply to: Message 188 by frako
11-28-2010 8:18 AM


Re: Balance - Common Courtesy
quote:
It totaly depends on the culture you are in.
Exactly!
The members of this board cover various cultures, religions, genders, ages, and beliefs.
Even within each of these groups there are variations.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 190 of 192 (593928)
11-30-2010 12:50 PM
Reply to: Message 152 by Straggler
11-21-2010 8:30 PM


Pretentious?
Moi?
Is that more your style.....?
Once again, my position is best explained with a picture; as to swearing and being childish:

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bluescat48
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Message 191 of 192 (593975)
11-30-2010 7:36 PM
Reply to: Message 190 by New Cat's Eye
11-30-2010 12:50 PM


Reality humor.
At least the guy in the cartoon admits to what, probably 90% of adults won't.

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

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Tram law
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Message 192 of 192 (612718)
04-17-2011 10:26 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by Phat
11-13-2010 10:42 AM


Re: Articulation Demonstration
Phat writes:
frako writes:
I dont get it
wiii wiii - happy
ojnk ojnk - piggy
No no no, you have it wrong!
wi wi-interactive video game.
weee weee-kids on a roller coaster screaming happily
wahh wahh- crying
ojnk ojnk- either a Russian Pig (OJNK) or an example of a misspelled word that so irritates the wannabe English teachers among us.
Don't forget oui oui means yes in French.

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