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vimesey
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Message 16 of 993 (798014)
01-30-2017 10:35 AM
Reply to: Message 14 by Faith
01-30-2017 10:09 AM


Re: The Propaganda Blitz Against Righeousness
Presumably he was misquoted in Matthew 5:47 then:
"And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that?"

Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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PaulK
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Message 17 of 993 (798017)
01-30-2017 11:04 AM
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01-30-2017 9:36 AM


Re: The Propaganda Blitz Against Righeousness
So, is anyone tempted to join Faith in her crusade against righteousness ? Or is her propaganda blitz a failure ?

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Faith 
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Message 18 of 993 (798018)
01-30-2017 11:19 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by vimesey
01-30-2017 10:35 AM


Re: The Propaganda Blitz Against Righeousness
TYpical liberal confusion. JESUS WAS NOT TALKING TO NATIONS. He was talking to individual believers. YOU personaly are commanded to treat all as you treat your family. So do so. The government is not what Jesus was addressing. What utter nonsense. Never in the history of Christianity has such absolute wackiness been attributed to Jesus, great theologians over two thousand years, certainly better informed of Jesus' teachings than you. Only now under the influence of Leftist revisionism are we subjected to such wackiness. Oh God help us.
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Message 19 of 993 (798021)
01-30-2017 11:53 AM
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01-30-2017 7:57 AM


Defying a court order is kind of illegal.

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vimesey
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Message 20 of 993 (798022)
01-30-2017 11:55 AM
Reply to: Message 18 by Faith
01-30-2017 11:19 AM


Re: The Propaganda Blitz Against Righeousness
"Go therefore and make disciples of all nations"
Seems to me Jesus was expecting nations to behave very much like individual believers - in fact as disciples, the very best of individual believers.

Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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Message 21 of 993 (798023)
01-30-2017 11:57 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Faith
01-30-2017 7:57 AM


Pictures worth a thousand words
Trump's order on immigration and the wacko liberal response
Better ban beds.
Here's a discussion from Townhall of the legality of Trump's executive order ...
So all of Obama's executive orders were legal. Good to know. Such expertise.
It is also legal for judges to halt the ban.
quote:
Judge halts deportations as refugee ban causes worldwide furor
A federal judge in New York blocked deportations nationwide late Saturday of those detained on entry to the United States after an executive order from President Trump targeted citizens from seven predominantly Muslim countries.
Judge Ann Donnelly of the U.S. District Court in Brooklyn granted a request from the American Civil Liberties Union to stop the deportations after determining that the risk of injury to those detained by being returned to their home countries necessitated the decision.
Minutes after the judge’s ruling in New York, another came in Alexandria when U.S. District Judge Leonie Brinkema issued a temporary restraining order to block for seven days the removal of any green-card holders being detained at Dulles International Airport. Brinkema’s action also ordered that lawyers have access to those held there because of the ban.
Enjoy
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Message 22 of 993 (798026)
01-30-2017 12:13 PM
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01-30-2017 11:57 AM


Re: Pictures worth a thousand words
How silly. Jihadists aren't going to attack in great numbers until they've built up a sufficient population to take over a nation. They've even succeeded in taking over whole countries in Asia and killing huge numbers in Africa. They are attacking more in Europe than in America because there are more of them, but still not enough to make Europe part of the ultimate caliphate. Still they are raping and committing violence at a rate that most of you have no idea of because you like your comfy lies. Give them time to bring in a few million more refugees. We've had just a few incidents in America so far showing that Islam isn't strong enough for more yet. Why don't you guys read something that explains what their plans are for taking over the world, instead of all the liberal excuses that make you feel so righteous about your false belief that there is no danger in bringing them into America?
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PaulK
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Message 23 of 993 (798027)
01-30-2017 12:17 PM


So, anyone feel like defending this ?
Glasgow vet caught in US flight ban
Seriously ? A veterinary student studying for a PhD in Glasgow isn't allowed to fly home via New York ?
Want to explain why it is necessary ?

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Message 24 of 993 (798028)
01-30-2017 12:17 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by vimesey
01-30-2017 11:55 AM


Re: The Propaganda Blitz Against Righeousness
The correct understanding of that command is to make disciples from among all nations. Sometimes we get a whole nation committed to Christ governmentally, such as America used to be, and even England and other European nations, but that's through the work of the individuals who were converted, in some cases kings, and we know that not all in any nation become true Christians even so.
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Message 25 of 993 (798029)
01-30-2017 12:21 PM
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01-30-2017 12:17 PM


Re: So, anyone feel like defending this ?
Oh WHAT a travesty, that one person was wrongly detained through a general law. Awful terrible injustice. I think I'll swoon.
There have been very few such situations considering the scope of the law, and why not assume they'll be corrected in their time? Oh I know why: because you want to vilify Trump. Silly me.

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PaulK
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Message 26 of 993 (798030)
01-30-2017 12:23 PM
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01-30-2017 12:21 PM


Re: So, anyone feel like defending this ?
OK Faith, explain why transit visas already issued couldn't be honoured. It doesn't seem like asking an awful lot, does it ?

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Message 27 of 993 (798032)
01-30-2017 12:25 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by Faith
01-30-2017 12:17 PM


Re: The Propaganda Blitz Against Righeousness
Sometimes we get a whole nation committed to Christ governmentally, such as America used to be,
No, it never was. That's your own revisionist history right there.
You don't seem to understand that if America had been a Christian nation (in the sense that you mean), then it would have been Catholic or Episcopalian. It was the non-establishment clause of the first amendment that allowed Evangelical Christianity (and crazy creationist cults) to flourish.

Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity

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Faith 
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Message 28 of 993 (798033)
01-30-2017 12:27 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by Dr Adequate
01-30-2017 11:53 AM


Golly Gosh, defying a Presidential order is probably even more illegal. and in this case certainly is illegal because Trump's order has so much legal weight behind it. That court is wrong and should be impeached.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 29 of 993 (798034)
01-30-2017 12:29 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by Faith
01-30-2017 11:19 AM


Re: The Propaganda Blitz Against Righeousness
TYpical liberal confusion. JESUS WAS NOT TALKING TO NATIONS. He was talking to individual believers. YOU personaly are commanded to treat all as you treat your family.
OK. So if I personally wouldn't support a government that mistreated my family, I am commanded not to support a government that mistreats foreigners.
The government is not what Jesus was addressing.
But I'm pretty sure that the government consists of people. I'm almost sure that Donald Trump, for example, is a person. So shouldn't he be bearing Jesus' admonitions in mind when deciding what executive orders to promulgate? Or does your version of Christian dogma recognize the principle of sovereign immunity, and declare that Hitler or Nero or Pontius Pilate were not obliged to follow God's commandments when acting in their role as government officials?

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JonF
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Message 30 of 993 (798035)
01-30-2017 12:31 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by Faith
01-30-2017 12:27 PM


Yeah, none of that separation of powers crap in the new America.

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