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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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Tangle Member Posts: 9489 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Faith writes: Ah well, clearly the propaganda from the Swedish government that is strangled by political correctness is simply preferred by posters here. Don't be an fucking idiot. Sweden is a modern Western democratic nation. It collects objective data on crime for all sorts of reasons and has done so for generations. It publishes it's sources and methodologies. The data is subject to independent audit and analysis by god knows how many interested organisations from criminologists to jourmalists. Any fiddling with it would immediately create a public scandal. Your anecdotes are absurd and your agenda an abomination - to use your damn bible accurately for once. Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7
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Faith you are being lied to and passing on the lies. We know this because we can see the evidence.
Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
where they are claiming to have been misunderstood Technically they are claiming that the questions they were asked, were different from the questions the documentary suggests they were being asked. It's a classic propaganda technique. Take something like this:
quote: Redub the interview and you can get:
quote: Edited by Modulous, : No reason given.
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Porosity Member (Idle past 2094 days) Posts: 158 From: MT, USA Joined: |
Don't be an fucking idiot. This person is not stupid, intelligent people aren't immune to conspiracy theories and superstitious beliefs.If you ignore factual or scientific evidence that is at odds with your worldview, you’re an easy target for conspiracy theories ― regardless of your political affiliation or intelligence. One of the first lines of defense are inclusive forums like this, environments where disputing unproven facts and conspiracies in a group discussion is encouraged. A recent study shows how conspiratorial thinking and social exclusion can trigger a vicious cycle that isolates those who believe false narratives. Just a moment... The dark side of meaning-making: How social exclusion leads to superstitious thinking: Abstract:
This paper tests a meaning-making model of conspiratorial thinking by considering how one's search for mean-ing mediates between social exclusion and the endorsement of conspiratorial (Study 1) and superstitious (Study2) beliefs. In Study 1, participants first wrote about a self-selected personal event that involved a social interac-tion, they then indicated how socially excluded they felt after the event, and, finally, they rated their endorse-ment of three well-known conspiracy theories. In Study 2, participants were randomly assigned to a Social Inclusion,a Social Exclusion, or a Control condition, after which they indicated the association between improb-able events in three scenarios. In addition, both studies mechanistically tested the relation between social exclu-sion and conspiratorial/superstitious thinking by measuring the participants' tendency to search for meaning.Both Study 1 (correlational) and Study 2 (experimental) offer support for the hypothesis that social exclusion is associated with superstitious/conspiratorial beliefs. One's search for meaning, correlational analyses revealed,mediated this relation. We discuss the implication of the findings for community-wide belief dynamics and we propose that social inclusion could be used to diminish the dissemination of superstitious beliefs and conspiracy theories Confirmation bias, or seeking out information that supports your previously established beliefs, isn’t just lazy, It’s dangerous, and can lead to real world consequences, like when an armed man entered a DC restaurant investigating pizzagate. Edited by Porosity, : Doh!
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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This person is not stupid, intelligent people aren't immune to conspiracy theories and superstitious beliefs. I'd take this a bit further. We're all susceptible to conspiracy theories, particularly those that play onto our deeply held beliefs, i.e. our world view. They only defense against such susceptibility is a rigorous method of questioning and evaluating evidence. If I were looking for a short name, I'd call it 'critical thinking'. And critical thinking is only a partial defense against conspiracy thinking and superstition. But its about all we have.
Confirmation bias, or seeking out information that supports your previously established beliefs, isn’t just lazy, It’s dangerous, and can lead to real world consequences, like when an armed man entered a DC restaurant investigating pizzagate. Or like when the president puts the intelligence agencies to the task of finding a case to invade Iraq, or finding evidence that folks from those seven Muslim countries are terrorist threat only after getting slapped down in court. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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White House blocks CNN, other news organizations from press briefing
quote: Trump speaking to the Conservative Political Action Committee:
quote: Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
The BBC was also not allowed into the meeting.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1405 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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I'm just going to put this here:
Ones at the bottom are less to un- reliable, at the top more reliable. Left side is left leaning, right side is right leaning. so looney-bin left is lower left while looney-bin right is lower right Now I agree that the lower left are unreliable and tend towards fake headlines that are not supported in the body of the article and to articles that overstate the case. I prefer The Hill to Slate and the Guardian to the Wall Street Journal (corporatist) I also prefer BBC and NPR to ABC, NBC and other stock mainstream news - especially at the national level. I don't see Democracy Now listed or Grist. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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NosyNed Member Posts: 8996 From: Canada Joined: |
It left out my favourite: "The Economist"
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
It's there. Red box right over the Wall Street Journal.
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
Faith writes:
quote: But to what end? What possible benefit could Sweden have in lying to its citizens about crime? The very people you put forward as an example of this "political correctness" have called you a liar, Faith. So which is it? Were they lying when they talked to Horowitz or were they lying about how Horowitz portrayed them? And if they are liars, why are you using them as a source?
quote: And it has been found to be a tissue of lies. So why do you continue to rely upon it?
quote: Huh? There hasn't been a single incident of terrorism in the US by any refugee. And the crime statistics in Sweden show that crime rates haven't changed since 2005 despite the huge uptick in immigration to the point that more than 15% of the country is now foreign born. What is there to gain from falsifying the crime reports?
quote: And those cops directly called it out as a lie. Shouldn't that tell you something about your trust in Fox as a source?
quote: No, that isn't true. Remember, the crime rate in Sweden hasn't changed in the past dozen years and the cops you are referencing have called your statements to be lies. Why do you still refer to them?
quote: Indeed, imagine that: Someone who has had her own source call her a liar is still insisting upon her claims.
quote: Yes, the direct statements by those policemen calling that a lie is there. Imagine that. They're calling you a liar and you still claim they support you. The amazing thing is that you don't want to know it.Rrhain Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time. Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.
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ramoss Member (Idle past 612 days) Posts: 3228 Joined:
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In the mean time, Bill O'reilly has a 'sweden defense advisor' on his show that, well, sweden never heard about, and Carlson Tucker had an actor who played the part of one of the an 'anti-trump protest organizer' since none of the ones he contacted would go on his show.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1405 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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Here's another one for you Faith:
quote: "disturbing trend" is a polite way of saying it is a steaming pile of horse manure -- it's fake news and falsehoods. If it's Faux it's FAKE. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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quote: A. Lincoln (draft copy of second inauguration address).
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Porosity Member (Idle past 2094 days) Posts: 158 From: MT, USA Joined:
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Psychological projection:
also known as blame shifting, is a theory in psychology in which humans defend themselves against their own unpleasant impulses by denying their existence while attributing them to others. For example, a person who is rude may constantly accuse other people of being rude. This is some level 5 Nazi shit.
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