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Faith 
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Message 61 of 710 (799960)
02-18-2017 4:42 PM
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02-18-2017 4:11 PM


Oh SEE those "current estimates," what a JOKE. What a sick joke. What a pack of lies and you believe it. Couldn't be that you believe it because you LIKE it, could it? Because you're a Trump hater maybe? Eh? Naa, that kind of reasoning only applies to us Trump supporters.

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Percy
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Message 62 of 710 (799961)
02-18-2017 4:47 PM
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02-18-2017 3:53 PM


Faith writes:
Here I am sitting in the Coffee House, enjoying my macchiato, I'm happy to chat and compare notes but demanding evidence belongs somewhere else. IMHO.
I'm just asking if there's any factual basis for your beliefs, and the answer is apparently not. You just believe what you like and damn the facts.
As I said, the Rasmussen poll includes only people who intend to vote, while the Gallup poll does not. This could account for the difference. Trump is still very popular with his base, but his administration appears chaotic and disorganized, and Trump himself seems ignorant, impulsive, mean and inept. He has no experience in governing and it shows. To ignore it would be to ignore the elephant in the room, and so the media is not ignoring it.
forget anything left, a bunch of crybabies, flamethrowers and assassins, what a crowd -- and I don't trust ANYTHING in the "mainstream" including polls. Evidence, schmevidence, that can be faked too, very easily with polls.
To paraphrase Harry Truman, the media isn't giving Trump hell. It's just that for Trump the truth is hell.
--Percy

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Faith 
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Message 63 of 710 (799962)
02-18-2017 4:47 PM


So he has a press conference where he tells it like it is. That's something we really really do like about Trump, he tells it like it is. He may get some facts wrong, who cares, the man knows what matters and he says it, he doesn't spin things. So he tells the press they're a bunch of lying saboteurs, and all they can do is whine that he was attacking the Press, the Holy Press. Isn't he worried he might be causing the people to distrust the Press? Aren't THEY worried that that's what THEY are doing with their lies and their snark? Kick the bums out, kick them all out. The ones in the Congressional Swamp too.

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Faith 
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Message 64 of 710 (799963)
02-18-2017 4:48 PM
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02-18-2017 4:47 PM


Nicely spun, Leftie. I'm sure you'll get some accolades for that.

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Faith 
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Message 65 of 710 (799964)
02-18-2017 4:53 PM


Oh and one other thing -- back on the Verboten Presidency thread I see a perfectly normal comment by Miller is of course spun into a Hitlerian command -- it was nothing but a statement of confidence that the TRUE powers of the Presidency will be recognized, no, they have to turn it into a command that it MUST be understood that way.
Oh how I hate the lying Left.

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Message 66 of 710 (799965)
02-18-2017 5:05 PM
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02-18-2017 4:53 PM


Please explain how the Right intends to stop people questioning the powers of the Presidency.

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jar
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Message 67 of 710 (799966)
02-18-2017 5:09 PM
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02-18-2017 4:53 PM


Faith writes:
Oh and one other thing -- back on the Verboten Presidency thread I see a perfectly normal comment by Miller is of course spun into a Hitlerian command -- it was nothing but a statement of confidence that the TRUE powers of the Presidency will be recognized, no, they have to turn it into a command that it MUST be understood that way.
Oh how I hate the lying Left.
Actually it is far more in the style and tactics of Joseph Goebbels. Learn history.

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JonF
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Message 68 of 710 (799967)
02-18-2017 5:10 PM
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02-18-2017 4:11 PM


we more or less politely let his supporters have their day
You're kidding right? Have you ever listened to right wing radio or TV? Or visited a right-wing web site?

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jar
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Message 69 of 710 (799968)
02-18-2017 5:11 PM
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02-18-2017 4:47 PM


Faith writes:
So he has a press conference where he tells it like it is. That's something we really really do like about Trump, he tells it like it is. He may get some facts wrong, who cares, the man knows what matters and he says it, he doesn't spin things.
He does not get SOME facts wrong, he seems incapable of ever getting any facts correct.
And I for one do care if the President of the US seems unable to ever get any facts correct.

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Percy
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Message 70 of 710 (799971)
02-18-2017 5:25 PM
Reply to: Message 64 by Faith
02-18-2017 4:48 PM


Faith writes:
Nicely spun, Leftie. I'm sure you'll get some accolades for that.
Except that I'm not a "Leftie". I'm neither a Republican or a Democrat. I'm a fiscal conservative and a social liberal. I like some of Trump's positions, like single payer health insurance, reducing corporate taxes, and eliminating the interest-to-long-term capital gains tax loop hole. What I'm against is having an impulsive, inexperienced, ignorant and mean-spirited person as president. There is evidence for this entire characterization, should evidence ever be something you're interested in discussing.
--Percy

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Faith 
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Message 71 of 710 (799972)
02-18-2017 5:26 PM
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02-18-2017 5:05 PM


Please explain how the Right intends to stop people questioning the powers of the Presidency.
The idea is that the President legitimately has those powers by an honest assessment of the laws. Other Presidents have used the same powers. They belong to the Presidency. That's what the Constitution says.
The court is wrong, the people who talk about the separation of powers happen to be wrong in these particular cases. But they won't recognize it, they won't acknowledge it.
However, I'll agree that the statement was far too optimistic. His opponents will never give in on any such true statement; they have to manufacture fake Constitutional interpretations, fake fake fake fake fake.

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Faith 
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Message 72 of 710 (799973)
02-18-2017 5:28 PM
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02-18-2017 5:25 PM


I'm aware of that "evidence." I consider it spin, not truth.

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Message 73 of 710 (799974)
02-18-2017 5:29 PM
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02-18-2017 5:10 PM


Faith writes:
we more or less politely let {Obama's} supporters have their day
You're kidding right? Have you ever listened to right wing radio or TV? Or visited a right-wing web site?
First to Faith: Politely?????? There was no damnable lie, no racial slur that was too low for you-all to stoop to on a regular basis. A little less hypocrisy on your part, please!
Now back to you, JonF. Of course Faith has listened to right wing TV/Radio in whichever proportions. And visited right-wing web sites as she has already proclaimed (eg, Info Wars). She is very well acquainted with bat-shit crazy because that is the mode that she has been operating in for longer than we have known her. To her, bat-shit is normal shit; she actually cannot tell the difference.
Of course, the primary difference between Obama and Trump is that Obama was not trying to destroy America and the world. OK, so maybe Trump doesn't realize what he is doing under the guidance of his puppet-master Steve Bannon, a self-avowed Leninist who wants to destroy everything and start a war out of which will emerge a "Gray Messiah". And of course Faith cannot understand that, unlike her, not everybody wants that to happen.

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Faith 
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Message 74 of 710 (799975)
02-18-2017 5:45 PM
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02-18-2017 5:29 PM


No racial slurs you liar, hardly a ripple in the pond compared to the violence and the violent rhetoric against Trump. You live on some other planet.
You're the batshit crazy one,along with all the other lefties here. You know nothing. Obama has already gone way too far toward destroying the nation. That's what Trump is trying to undo because he is the one who really does care about America. You've got to be blind to think Obama cares one whit about America. Open borders? As many illegal aliens as he can cram into the country, aliens they lyingly refer to as "immigrants? Give them the perks of citizens? -- the spin is SO disgusting, what lying trash intended to destroy the nation. As many Muslim refugees as he can bring in to kill us when they've accumulated the power? Apologizing for America to our enemies? Sending back the Churchill bust, which celebrates a hero of Western Civilizaqtion. He HATES Western Civlilzation, he hates America. Destroying the economy with Obamacare? Driving businesses to other countries with trade deals that undermine American interests? Oh and how about their expensive vacations out of the taxpayers' pockets? I wouldn't even mention that except I just saw a headline about how the security to protect Trump's family is costing so much. What hypocrisy, what evil lying crap you leftists dish out. Including your lying crap about Bannon.
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Message 75 of 710 (799976)
02-18-2017 5:52 PM
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02-18-2017 5:26 PM


The idea is that the President legitimately has those powers by an honest assessment of the laws. Other Presidents have used the same powers. They belong to the Presidency. That's what the Constitution says.
The court is wrong, the people who talk about the separation of powers happen to be wrong in these particular cases. But they won't recognize it, they won't acknowledge it.
Yes, the President has powers. So does the Legislature. And so does the Judiciary. It's called the Separation of Powers. It should have been covered in your civics class in high school, assuming you managed to stay awake in class.
What we were taught was that the Founding Fathers were virtually paranoid about the rise of tyrants, having seen King George III as a tyrant. So to thwart the designs of a tyrant they incorporated that system of checks and balances which we call the Separation of Powers. It's kind of like the Strategic Air Command's (SAC's) "no lone" policy regarding access to nukes: no single individual may ever have access to nuclear weapons in any conceivable manner. It's also reflected in the handling of classified materials where the handling and destruction of classified materials must be with a second cleared individual, a witness, present. I know these things, because I am a 35-year military veteran who has performed said duties and has repeatedly sworn to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America against all enemies both foreign and domestic.
So just because Presidents have been given certain powers does not mean that those actions cannot be reviewed, since any mortal man may try to exceed his authority. Such review is the duty of the Judiciary. So why are you complaining so much that the Judiciary is trying to do its Constitutionally mandated duty?
So you think that the courts are so wrong? Do please explain why. In legal terms that would convince someone familiar with the Constitution of the United States of America.
And while you are at it, a pure and complete hypothetical. For purely hypothetical reasons, just suppose that a tyrant has managed to get himself elected to the office of the President of the United States of America. What is the public reaction supposed to be to prevent him from destroying the Constitution and the country? In your own considered and infallible opinion.

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