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frako Member (Idle past 332 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
As someone pointed this out before. There is nothing new with the aca. All of it were Republican ideas. Obama just xerox those ideas and fed them back to Republicans. And all of a sudden people like Romney went against their own proposals. Well that's because Obama is a black Muslim Kenyan devil worshipper who was sent on this earth to end america and start the end times. If he supports something it has to be evil. Its how politics work basically you have to be the enemy of the other party so your followers don't get the idea that voting for the other side is anything less then treason. Look america has its republican democrat battlefield and you must choose a side, we have "communists" and "non communists" though neither are anything close they each portray themselves as the light in the darkens and the others as the ultimate evil. Its been some 70 years since the real communists came to power and where brutal to the opposition that actually stood with the Germans during the war so they had a point they just went to fare, and the topic is still coming up in my country. its been 20 years since Slovenians independence and still they are fighting about how one side dint want to secede it was actually a good idea we had enough support in the world to force a different form of government as it was clear that every president would be Serbian in Yugoslavia after Tito because the majority where Serbian. The other side points out that their leaders where hiding during the 11 some day ware where 1 person got injured an enemy killed and some 10 20 thousand enemie combatants where captured. This is still coming up in the elections why to divide the people, because our real problems cant be solved so easily as hating the other guys. Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 311 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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We should take care that such doesn't happen here. Well thank heaven we've got conservatives around to battle against "central control of everything". And to ensure that sharia doesn't become the law of the land, that's something they've been very successful at. And they've kept Obama from taking all our guns away, and we haven't been herded into FEMA death camps, and none of us have been ... what is it that death panels do again? Well, they haven't done that. And above all we're safe from Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction. Yes, if you want to be protected from imaginary threats, the conservatives are your guys. One day maybe they'll graduate to solving real problems.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2132 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
ObamaCare, Like All Central Planning, Is A 'Big Failure'
Access to this page has been denied. Bureaucratic Tragedy: ObamaCare promoter Ezra Klein admits the law has been a "big failure." We could say his comments are those of a useful idiot. But what they really do is underscore the perils of central planning. Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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You need a little realism there as well.
In the case of East and West Germany other than just statist conspiracy; maybe Russia striping all the manufacturing equipment as well as most of the agricultural production and continued demand for reparations while West Germany benefited from favored nation treatment, the Marshall plan and financial and industrial subsidy from the US played a part. Yet East Germany still managed to have the highest standard of living of all of the occupied Eastern Bloc nations. In the case of North Korea do you think a virtual boycott by the US on economic development while again giving favored nation benefits and economic aid and development to, as well as providing markets for, South Korea might have played a part? Edited by jar, : appalin spallin and wrong wordAnyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 311 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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Yes, it's no coincidence that every great achievement from putting a man on the moon to liberating Europe from the Nazis to the abolition of smallpox was achieved by private entities competing in the free market rather than by central planning. As the man says, with that grasp of history, common sense, economics and grammar so typical of conservative commentators: "history and common sense, along with a large catalog of economic theory tells us that central planning has not and cannot work."
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2132 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
If you think that's the case, show us the evidence.
Otherwise, it is clear that any social system that takes away individual initiative is doomed to fail. It is human nature that people will not put out their best efforts when they know the vast majority of what they produce will be taken away from them. Communism and socialism is [sic] seductive. It promises us that people will contribute according to ability and receive according to needs. Everybody is equal. Everybody has a right to decent housing, decent food and affordable medical care. History should have taught us that when we hear people talk this stuff -- watch out! Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
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nwr Member Posts: 6411 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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Otherwise, it is clear that any social system that takes away individual initiative is doomed to fail.
You must be referring to a capitalist system that hoards all of the wealth for the richest few. Yes, that is doomed to fail.Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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Jon Inactive Member |
It is human nature that people will not put out their best efforts when they know the vast majority of what they produce will be taken away from them. Evidence?Love your enemies!
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
It is human nature that people will not put out their best efforts when they know the vast majority of what they produce will be taken away from them.
How does anything Obama or the ACA do, do this? You are familiar with what top marginal tax rates were during the economic booms of the 50's, 60's and 70's don't you? If you actually looked at "taken away" you will see that the top percentiles are paying a miniscule in taxes compared to what they used to and the bottom 2/3's are paying appreciable more. Don't cherry pick your taxes now. Look at total tax burden. How low do we have to go with taxes on corps and the wealthy, before this miraculous economic nirvana you conservatives claim will happen, finally kicks in? You and your ilk really need to study economics and history.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
If I think what?
What does anything I have said relate to your bumper sticker post or provide any evidence of anything? Classic Gish Gallop!Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Coyote writes:
A social system without healthy citizens/workers is doomed to fail. Otherwise, it is clear that any social system that takes away individual initiative is doomed to fail. Publicly funded healthcare is no different from publicly funded roads. Both are necessary for a modern society, not necessacrily a "statist" one.
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Diomedes Member Posts: 995 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
Otherwise, it is clear that any social system that takes away individual initiative is doomed to fail I believe there is veracity to that statement. However, the removal of individual initiative can occur in both capitalist and socialist models. Consider for example the amount of money that pours in from special interests such as big oil, pharma, the coal lobby, and so forth and how their efforts do much to stifle innovation in areas that would be deemed a threat to the bottom line of these institutions. Now that Citizens United was ratified by SCOTUS, we literally have created a situation where money, and who has the most of it, can dictate policy in our country. So sure, pure communism is destined to fail. But a pure oligarchy will fair no better IMO.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1431 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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So sure, pure communism is destined to fail. But a pure oligarchy will fair no better IMO. Especially as any "communist" countries we've seen are really oligarchies ... and they have indeed failed. Most companies, especially the large multi-nationals, are also oligarchies. It is possible to have a democratically responsible capitalism, as we see this in democratic socialist countries with socially responsible capitalism that benefits the population. Enjoy.by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2132 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
The Obamacare time bomb
By Marc A. Thiessen, The Washington Post, Monday, November 18, 6:38 AM There is an Obamacare time bomb set to go off just before the 2014 midterm elections and President Obama’s purported fix for the millions of Americans losing their health insurance doesn’t defuse it. If anything, it could make the blast worse. Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
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yenmor Member (Idle past 3682 days) Posts: 145 Joined: |
Such bullshit written with such sensationalist language. Gotta give it to the writer for having shitted out such garbage from his mouth.
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