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Message 31 of 56 (793409)
10-28-2016 11:16 AM



"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs

  
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Message 32 of 56 (793428)
10-28-2016 4:09 PM


Clinton Emails in the News Again
CNN (and the NYT and Reuters and everyone else) reports that the FBI is reviewing new emails in Clinton classified information probe. The FBI provided this information:
  • More emails have been found on a device not previously available to the FBI.
  • The emails are not from Clinton.
  • The FBI will take "appropriate investigative steps" to determine whether the emails contain classified information or are otherwise relevant to the investigation.
--Percy

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Message 33 of 56 (793463)
10-29-2016 11:21 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by Percy
10-28-2016 4:09 PM


Re: Clinton Emails in the News Again
Leaving one to wonder:
Why hasn't the FBI mentioned anything about their investigations of Trump's teams ties to Russia in general and Putin in particular? Let's not pretend that they're not investigating that.
Why is it only Clinton that gets the FBI talking?

Rrhain

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Message 34 of 56 (793480)
10-30-2016 8:28 AM
Reply to: Message 32 by Percy
10-28-2016 4:09 PM


Re: Clinton Emails in the News Again
The emails are not from Clinton.
And Anthony Weiner is back in the news ...
But they are about how the Clinton machine shook down donors to the foundation for the enrichment of the Clintons (Bill Inc). They are about skirting the laws and not following the intent of the agreement with Obama..
They demonstrate character flaws similar to what we see in Trump's use of his position (such as his "charity"), he was just more blatant about it.

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Message 35 of 56 (793481)
10-30-2016 8:39 AM
Reply to: Message 33 by Rrhain
10-29-2016 11:21 PM


Re: Clinton Emails in the News Again
Why is it only Clinton that gets the FBI talking?
(Or the press reporting on it) Interesting question.
Trump will be in court in November on fraud charges (Trump U iirc) and in December on Child Statutory Rape charges, but there is little noise about this as well.
There was a facebook post that claimed Comey was trying to bias the election towards Trump. I can't find it now but did find these:
Update Your Browser | Facebook
Agreed that facebook is next to worthless for valid information because people post opinion more than fact.
Could it be that Comey is a lifelong republican who served in the Bush Whitehouse?
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Message 36 of 56 (793484)
10-30-2016 9:11 AM
Reply to: Message 34 by RAZD
10-30-2016 8:28 AM


Re: Clinton Emails in the News Again
RAZD writes:
The emails are not from Clinton.
...
But they are about how the Clinton machine shook down donors to the foundation for the enrichment of the Clintons (Bill Inc). They are about skirting the laws and not following the intent of the agreement with Obama.
Just to be clear, you cannot be referring to the emails that were the subject of FBI Director James Comey's Friday letter to Congress. It isn't yet known what is in those emails, or even why they're relevant.
I don't think we can say we know the emails were not from Hillary. This is the text of Comey's letter, and it doesn't say anything about who the emails are from or to, nor anything about their content. It only says that the emails "appear to be pertinent to the investigation":
quote:
In previous Congressional testimony, I referred to the fact that the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) had completed its investigation of former Secretary Clinton's personal email server. Due to recent developments, I am writing to supplement my previous testimony.
In connection with an unrelated case, the FBI has learned of the existence of emails that appear to be pertinent to the investigation. I am writing to inform you that the investigative team briefed me on this yesterday, and I agreed that the FBI should take appropriate investigative steps designed to allow investigators to review these emails to determine whether they contain classified information, as well as to assess their importance to our investigation.
Although the FBI cannot yet assess whether this material may be significant, and I cannot predict how long it will take us to complete this additional work, I believe it is important to update your Committees about our efforts in light of my previous testimony.
The information that the emails were not from Hillary comes from a news report described here in this Slate article:
quote:
Here's NBC's Pete Williams (who's been covering the Justice Department for decades and is presumably well-sourced) reporting that senior officials "familiar with the thinking behind [Comey's] letter" say the newly discovered emails in question 1) were not sent by Hillary Clinton, 2) do not appear to have intentionally been withheld from the FBI, 3) were not discovered via the investigation into the John Podesta or Democratic National Committee hacks.
There's a video in the article where Williams says these things, I wasn't able to embed it in this message.
--Percy

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Message 37 of 56 (793494)
10-31-2016 7:50 AM
Reply to: Message 36 by Percy
10-30-2016 9:11 AM


Re: Clinton Emails in the News Again
We know a little more today, this information is from the CNN article FBI discovered Clinton-related emails weeks ago:
  • The "device" is a laptop belonging to Anthony Weimer, whose estranged wife, Huma Abedin, is a top Clinton aide now serving as vice chairwoman of Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign, and who previously served as Clinton's deputy chief of staff at the State Department.
  • Though the laptop belongs to Weimer, it contains a trove of emails from his wife Huma Abedin.
  • According to CNN, "Technical experts at the FBI began procedures to catalogue the emails found on one of the computers and soon found emails belonging to Abedin. The discovery surprised investigators..."
    Let me state that last part in the form of an incredulous question: The discovery of emails from Weimer's wife on his laptop surprised investigators? Were they also surprised by the discovery of Internet browsing tools, calendar programs and music mp3's? One stands amazed at the capacity of these investigators to be surprised.
  • It is not yet known whether the emails have any pertinence to the Clinton probe.
  • The Clinton campaign has been rocked by the news. About FBI director Comey's release of the information Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta said, "He might have taken the first step of actually having looked at them before he did this in the middle of a presidential campaign, so close to the voting."
  • Even Huma Abedin expressed surprise that emails from her had turned up on her husband's laptop: "The possibility that this device contains any emails of hers is news to her," a source familiar with the investigation and civil litigation told CNN. "The device supposedly at issue now belonged to Anthony, not her."
    This makes no sense to me. People I know exchange emails and texts with their wives and husbands and other family members all the time. Are the emails from after she became estranged from her husband? Which would imply Weimer obtained them improperly?
  • FBI investigators *did* read enough of the emails to decide that they possibly contained classified material. It was at that point that a new warrant was sought, since the warrant to examine the laptop only concerned information about sexting. Investigators think it likely that some of the deleted Clinton emails are on the laptop. This does strongly imply that the emails were *from* Abedin but not *to* Weimer, again implying that he obtained them improperly.
Does anyone in Washington just go about their lives and work activities without getting involved in intrigue?
--Percy

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Message 38 of 56 (793497)
10-31-2016 10:00 AM
Reply to: Message 37 by Percy
10-31-2016 7:50 AM


Re: Clinton Emails in the News Again
Does anyone in Washington just go about their lives and work activities without getting involved in intrigue?
Apparently not. It seems the political arena is filled with individuals that seem to have no issues bending (or breaking) the rules for their own purposes.
Which kind of begs the question: is the label 'Crooked Hillary' even warranted? When it comes to politicians, it almost seems like the word 'crooked' is redundant.

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Message 39 of 56 (793499)
10-31-2016 10:31 AM


Well if Donald Trumps is elected in response to this recent FBI probe and it turns out to be benign I am gonna be pissed.
I am no fan of Hillary Clinton but I sure as hell do not *want Donald J. Trump setting one foot in the white house. Not because he is a baffoon, not because he is arrogant. It is because he is immature and malicious and could in my opinion cause harm to our country. I joked once about being a accelerationist and wanting the current crop of repubs to once and for all have their way and get the "car keys" back so that the country could once and for all see the abject insanity of GOP as it follows it's base further and further to the fringe.
Well holy crap even Republicans are like: "what have we done?"
Edited by 1.61803, : *want

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Message 40 of 56 (793501)
10-31-2016 11:16 AM
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10-31-2016 10:31 AM


Well holy crap even Republicans are like: "what have we done?"
That's what happens when you create a monster; don't be surprised when you develop buyers remorse. Endless years of rhetoric on how the country is going to hell, how immigrants are flooding across our borders, how the president is illegitimate. All of that manifested into Trump. And Republicans are somehow shocked about this? What the hell did they think would happen?
I know the founding fathers gave us the right to free speech. But I think even they assumed that one would at least leverage some of their brain cells when they exercised that right.

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Message 41 of 56 (793503)
10-31-2016 12:17 PM
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10-31-2016 11:16 AM


An Excellent Summary of what they did
Trump, the GOP, and the Fall | Whatever
It is a thesis I have been putting forward for over a year. The GOP made this happen.

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Message 42 of 56 (793508)
10-31-2016 3:03 PM
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10-31-2016 12:17 PM


Re: An Excellent Summary of what they did
Thanks Nosy!
All this email shit by Comey & the boys reminds me a bit of AJ Weberman going through Bob Dylan's garbage for anything.

- xongsmith, 5.7d

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Message 43 of 56 (793521)
10-31-2016 9:55 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by nwr
10-26-2016 4:59 PM


You've been drinking too much of the Trump Kool Aid.
An interesting indictment considering I'm not a Trump supporter. The enemy of my enemy is not my friend applies here.
I know it's so easy to pawn everything off as a "vast rightwing conspiracy," or Clinton's latest scapegoat to pass it off on "Russian hackers," but there are so many instances of improprieties on her part that it's beyond refute at this point.
She's a crook, she's a megalomaniac, and she will play a huge role in World War III breaking out if elected.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Message 44 of 56 (793522)
10-31-2016 9:58 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by Pressie
10-28-2016 8:24 AM


Not me. I got a huge bonus because we could finish the contract ahead of schedule and then started another job. Getting paid for two contracts simultaneously. e-mails. Data. Reports. Publications. The works. All due to efficient communication systems. Private servers tend to work more reliably than the others.
So you are harboring classified material on your private server(s)? Is that what you are telling me? Because it could also be true that certain South African authorities might not be aware of this... in which case, that would be the reason you haven't been charged, not that it's necessarily not that big of a deal. Food for thought.

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Message 45 of 56 (793523)
10-31-2016 10:06 PM


Nuke the Whales

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