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CRR
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Message 91 of 1311 (807860)
05-06-2017 8:16 AM
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05-06-2017 7:43 AM


Re: What mechanism stops evolutionary change?
Recent research by GCF and partners has shown that there are four distinct species of giraffe in Africa. Two of these species have two and three subspecies respectively. All species and subspecies live in geographically distinct areas across Africa and while some of the species/subspecies have been reported to cross-bread in zoos, there is little to no evidence that this occurring in the wild.
I'd explain these the same way I'd explain horse/zebra/donkey. They are all descended from the kinds on Noah's Ark. The horse/zebra/donkey also prefer to breed with their own but can cross breed.

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Message 92 of 1311 (807861)
05-06-2017 8:24 AM
Reply to: Message 91 by CRR
05-06-2017 8:16 AM


Re: What mechanism stops evolutionary change?
CRR writes:
They are all descended from the kinds on Noah's Ark.
Except there is absolutely no evidence there was ever a Noah's Ark and there is evidence to support the fact of evolution and that the Theory of Evolution is the only explanation.
An imaginary ark explains nothing about the process.

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Message 93 of 1311 (807863)
05-06-2017 8:38 AM
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05-06-2017 8:16 AM


Re: What mechanism stops evolutionary change?
CRR writes:
Recent research by GCF and partners has shown that there are four distinct species of giraffe in Africa. Two of these species have two and three subspecies respectively. All species and subspecies live in geographically distinct areas across Africa and while some of the species/subspecies have been reported to cross-bread in zoos, there is little to no evidence that this occurring in the wild.
I'd explain these the same way I'd explain horse/zebra/donkey. They are all descended from the kinds on Noah's Ark. The horse/zebra/donkey also prefer to breed with their own but can cross breed.
But how many are on the Ark? If it's ~4,500 yrs ago, then the genetics tell you that there would have been ~14 giraffes on the Ark. (They have diverged too far to descend from one pair). And what about the Samotherium? There would also have to be loads of equids on the Ark.
And once again, what is the mechanism that stops populations of organisms changing over time into new species (kinds)?
Edited by bluegenes, : fixed link

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Message 94 of 1311 (807865)
05-06-2017 8:47 AM
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05-06-2017 8:16 AM


Re: What mechanism stops evolutionary change?
CRR writes:
Recent research by GCF and partners has shown that there are four distinct species of giraffe in Africa.
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They are all descended from the kinds on Noah's Ark.
Does this mean that you believe there was one original giraffe kind on the ark, and that the four species we see today are descended from that one original kind? If so, doesn't this mean you're advocating some kind of accelerated evolution?
--Percy

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Dr Adequate
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Message 95 of 1311 (807866)
05-06-2017 9:35 AM
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05-06-2017 1:38 AM


Poor Tangle, you keep throwing up this line, but it's simply a mindless regurgitation of something you learn in atheist Sunday school. You have obviously never stopped to consider it's validity ...
What odd lies you tell. Do you actually hope to deceive Taq when you lie to him like that, or is it just a gratuitous display of dishonesty?
But you need to first realise that Darwinism is a cult. It hides itself under the cloak of science, but it is a full-blown cult nevertheless.
Try this exercise (which I would recommend to every member of the cult of Darwinism) - write out 30 times every day, "Mr. Charles Darwin is really Mr. Useless", and then, "Evolution = biology + the atheist cult of Darwinism" 30 times, and then, "Evolution is not a fact" 30 times.
"You've joined a cult! This is bad. Here, let me prescribe you some religious mantras that you should recite 30 times daily."

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Coyote
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Message 96 of 1311 (807867)
05-06-2017 9:36 AM
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05-06-2017 1:38 AM


Evolution is a cult?
But you need to first realise that Darwinism is a cult.
Hmmmm. Looking up the definition for cult on the interwebs shows the following:
quote:
--a system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object.
--a relatively small group of people having religious beliefs or practices regarded by others as strange or sinister.
--a misplaced or excessive admiration for a particular person or thing.
And with that your claim fails in all respects.
Those who study evolution do not venerate Darwin. It is religions who tend to venerate particular figures.
Half of my graduate school study was in evolution related fields, including fossil man, human races, human osteology, etc. I doubt if Darwin was mentioned more than once or twice--I certainly don't remember any such mentions.
It is anti-science creationists who are obsessed with Darwin! Because creationists match the definition of a cult much more closely than does any branch of science, they think that if they can disparage, belittle, and deprecate Darwin that it harms Darwin's theory 150 years later. (That's just another thing creationists are wrong about.)
So lets call your branch of creationism what it is: an anti-Darwin cult.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
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Davidjay 
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Message 97 of 1311 (807870)
05-06-2017 10:02 AM
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05-06-2017 9:36 AM


Re: Definitely Evolution is a cult?
quote:
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--a system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object.
--a relatively small group of people having religious beliefs or practices regarded by others as strange or sinister.
--a misplaced or excessive admiration for a particular person or thing.
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And with that your claim fails in all respects.
Those who study evolution do not venerate Darwin. It is religions who tend to venerate particular figures.
Half of my graduate school study was in evolution related fields, including fossil man, human races, human osteology, etc. I doubt if Darwin was mentioned more than once or twice--I certainly don't remember any such mentions.
It is anti-science creationists who are obsessed with Darwin! Because creationists match the definition of a cult much more closely than does any branch of science, they think that if they can disparage, belittle, and deprecate Darwin that it harms Darwin's theory 150 years later. (That's just another thing creationists are wrong about.)
So lets call your branch of creationism what it is: an anti-Darwin cult.
The evolutionary divinity is the Goddess of Selection or Mother Nature.
SEE Read and understand the thread... Debunking the God of Selection.
Evolutionists are a cult that has taken over the majority because it is joined with secular governments, and makes the worship of materialism easier, as well as the extinction of minorities through wars. (Cults do not have to be small, look at the major religions)
Evolutionists are cultists who worship luck and chance as their god, as they hate design and the One who designed.
So Yes, Evolution can easily be deemed a cult, and because they are now the majority they can demand compliance and even force their cultish practises on the young and innocent.
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Notice how half of his graduate courses were in evolutionary theory.. Half...HALF ! Thats cultish to say the least, all based on a theory.... amazing.... amazing but absolutely insane.
Yes, and graduates and graduate schools must not talk about the origins of evolution as it can not be studied or known by their devotees. This being why even HERE, in proposed new TOPICS, Darwin and evolution history will not be allowed to be discussed.
Yes, evolution on all accounts can easily be deemed a cult.
Agreed... so we can make this a GIVEN and a PRINCIPLE
Evolution is a cult.
Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.
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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
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Coyote
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Message 98 of 1311 (807871)
05-06-2017 10:09 AM
Reply to: Message 97 by Davidjay
05-06-2017 10:02 AM


Re: Definitely Evolution is a cult?
Your posts are no longer even entertaining.
You have become a caricature of yourself.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.

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Message 99 of 1311 (807875)
05-06-2017 10:15 AM
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05-06-2017 10:09 AM


Re: Definitely Evolution is a cult?
Coyote, at least pretend to be civil, rather than always attacking the messenger, because you cant disprove the message.
I just proved that evolution fits the bill of a cult.
I mean Coyote, you spend years getting indocrinated into this cult, at university...years Coyote... and fater all those years, you can;t explain Darwin and are afraid of your own history, because all you studied for years and years and years was theories on theories on theories about possible theories.
So do learn to express yourself objectively Coyote, maybe go back to first year University and take non fiction writing courses.
Thanks

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
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Message 100 of 1311 (807876)
05-06-2017 10:16 AM
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05-06-2017 10:15 AM


Re: Definitely Evolution is a cult?
And what have you been studying?

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Coyote
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Message 101 of 1311 (807878)
05-06-2017 10:26 AM
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05-06-2017 10:15 AM


Re: Definitely Evolution is a cult?
So do learn to express yourself objectively Coyote, maybe go back to first year University and take non fiction writing courses.
Before you offer a lot of advice, perhaps you should go back and learn to spell, write coherent sentences, and maybe even take some debating courses -- as you seem to have severe handicaps in all three of those areas.
Oh, my BA is in English, and I have written a number of non-fiction books. (You lose again, eh?)

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.

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Diomedes
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Message 102 of 1311 (807879)
05-06-2017 10:29 AM
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05-06-2017 10:26 AM


Re: Definitely Evolution is a cult?
Before you offer a lot of advice, perhaps you should go back and learn to spell, write coherent sentences, and maybe even take some debating courses -- as you seem to have severe handicaps in all three of those areas.
And might I add, he also needs to take some courses in web design. Because his website looks like it was put together by a 14 year old in 1995.

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Message 103 of 1311 (807881)
05-06-2017 10:44 AM
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05-06-2017 10:29 AM


Re: Definitely Evolution is a cult?
Yes, I started researching in earnest around 1994, using research Reference (Sacred Geomtery) books at the library, and then combined it with prophecy and bible courses I had taken as a missionary, and then it just kept expanding precept on precept til now I have over 1,000 articles all hyperlinked together and connected together in explanation and graphics.
Yea, its old school, and needs some updating, but I dont have time, and it has been hacked a few times, where I have to start over, and Yes I should correct a few spelling errors, but the math is correct, the principles are correct.... but pretty good for a one person websight with over 10,000,000 hits.....
Evolutionists usually dont have websites because after stating that everything came by luck and chance, they have nothing more to add... one page websites are not that interesting or fulfilling or inspiring.
So lets add to the TOPIC. The title is off, because light is and was created to have specific values, a speed and different properties.
SEE LIGHT SPEED is by DESIGN thread.
Light is not a random mutation that just happenned eons ago, it is by design.
Readers do note that again evolutionists only attack the messenger as they have no ammunition against the message.
Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
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Message 104 of 1311 (807884)
05-06-2017 10:58 AM
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05-06-2017 10:44 AM


Wrong again
Evolutionists usually dont have websites because after stating that everything came by luck and chance, they have nothing more to add... one page websites are not that interesting or fulfilling or inspiring.
Wrong again!
Understanding Evolution - Your one-stop source for information on evolution
(Don't you get tired of being wrong all the time?)

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.

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Message 105 of 1311 (807889)
05-06-2017 11:35 AM
Reply to: Message 91 by CRR
05-06-2017 8:16 AM


Re: What mechanism stops evolutionary change?
I'd explain these the same way I'd explain horse/zebra/donkey. They are all descended from the kinds on Noah's Ark. The horse/zebra/donkey also prefer to breed with their own but can cross breed.
In other words, they are members of a clade that descended from a common ancestor population, which you guess/assume/wish was on a (no evidence) fantasy ark.
Is the Okapi also a member of the Giraffidae clade, and is it descended from the same common ancestor population?
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