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Phat Member Posts: 18338 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
jar writes: At best, you could argue that CCoI members often have a disconnect from reality and are gullible in regards to conspiracy tales and what you would call made up religion...but I find no evidence that jaywill or any of us palm any pea nor con any rube. We do often change the subject because we seek to frame the issue one way while you insist on framing it another. You market Christianity the way you feel it should be and we market it the way we feel it should be. jaywill's posts still have no bearing on reality or the fact that man went to the moon, or the topic of the thread and are just more of his attempts to palm the pea, con the rubes, sell his snake oil, move the goal posts and change the subject. I swear that you sometimes sound like a broken record! Let's drop this moon hoax stuff and get back to the end times as marketed.
PaulK, opening post writes: The End is Coming Soon is quite a cliche. There have been numerous occasions in the past where Christians have believed that the end times are almost upon us. And - certainly today - there is no shortage of people prepared to profit from it. We even see daft ideas like bar-codes being the Mark of the Beast (they aren’t).But what does the Bible really say? You won’t find out from those selling an imminent apocalypse. I intend to survey the major end-time predictions and see if they really do match the present situation. Edited by Phat, : No reason given.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: We do often change the subject because we seek to frame the issue one way while you insist on framing it another. Again, I continue to frame the issue based on what the actual evidence shows. Whether man walked on the moon or not has absolutely nothing to do with Christianity and the End Times beyond showing that jaywill is as incapable of actually dealing with reality when it comes to moon stuff as with what the Bible actually says. And the fact remains that ALL End Times Prophecy is still simply failed prophecy.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
Sometimes it's hard to tell the con-men from the rubes. The con-man's greatest asset is the rube who truly believes. ...but I find no evidence that jaywill or any of us palm any pea nor con any rube.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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nwr Member Posts: 6411 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
The same goes in reverse. If the US faked a moon landing why didn't the soviets scream about it? why aren't the russians and chinese still screaming about it? They have the capabilities to prove the falsehood, why haven't they?
The aren't screaming about it, because it was a conspiracy between top US leaders, to soviet leader and top Chinese leader. Your reasoning just proves the conspiracy. (Just joking, of course. But you know that's what the conspiracy theorists will say).Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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Diomedes Member Posts: 995 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
The aren't screaming about it, because it was a conspiracy between top US leaders, to soviet leader and top Chinese leader. Your reasoning just proves the conspiracy. It's even worse than that. They are being controlled by the Lizard People. Didn't you know?
And Alex Jones is their leader! Noooooooooooooooooo!!!
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 761 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
Well, Alex does look pretty good in that pic, at least.
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jaywill Member (Idle past 1967 days) Posts: 4519 From: VA USA Joined: |
And the explanation for the recorded sounds - Apollo 12,16 - ( which are not typically present in the ISS astronaut's activity ) is found WHERE in this reply ?
Nice broad generalizing strokes there for your blanket dismissal.But I didn't notice your addressing the specific problem.
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jaywill Member (Idle past 1967 days) Posts: 4519 From: VA USA Joined: |
And your specific solution for the problem of the recorded sounds which are NOT typically present on the ISS is ___________________________ ?
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jaywill Member (Idle past 1967 days) Posts: 4519 From: VA USA Joined: |
And your specific solution for the problem of recorded sounds on the moon walks in Apollo (which sounds are not present in videos of tool usage on the ISS) is _________________________ ?
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jaywill Member (Idle past 1967 days) Posts: 4519 From: VA USA Joined: |
And aside from this generalize dismissal YOUR explanation for the recorded sounds on the two Apollo Moon walks ....IS ________________ ?
Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.
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jaywill Member (Idle past 1967 days) Posts: 4519 From: VA USA Joined: |
The microphones in the space suits don't seem to pick up tool usage by astronauts on the ISS.
So your explanation for the recorded SOUNDS on the Apollo moon walks is that __________________ ??? Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.
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jaywill Member (Idle past 1967 days) Posts: 4519 From: VA USA Joined: |
Ironically, you seem to be the only poster attempting to deal with the problem.
Thanks for trying.Of course the problem remains that on the ISS we hear nothing. The circumstances should be exactly the same - space vacuum. Remember - I said that I don't think we are being told everything. Feel free to renew some matter about the second coming of Christ with me, for the thread. I will continue to spot check among all the calm voices of reason and logic here WHY sounds were heard on the Moon .
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Phat Member Posts: 18338 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
My take on it is this:
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
There is absolutely no explanation needed since as has been explained to you it is irrelevant to the fact that mankind has been to the surface of the moon or to the topic itself.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
It would be nice to be able to put this to rest without much more hassle but now I'm curious. I've never doubted the moon landings or the whole space program, but just for the sake of the mental exercise could someone try to explain why there is sound on the moon video but not on the space station?
I listened to the earlier video jaywill posted in Message 1366 where they mention the interpretation I came up with about the sound being transmitted through the space suit, and dismiss it. All the scientists here ought to be able to come up with an explanation for this apparent discrepancy even if it is annoying because they don't have any reason to doubt the space program. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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