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sidelined Member (Idle past 5907 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: |
IamJoseph
Chapter 1/1 is the beginning chapter which describes creation, catering to its fundamental factors. Light is well catered to as one of the primal entities, precedent of the stars. Light and fire are very closely related. When one examines the premise, stars could not produce light unless it was a precedent and independent entity, at least in its essence form Light {electromagnetic waves} were not a part of the universe immediately upon its formation and it was not until approximately 380,000 years of age when the temperatures had cooled enough electrons and nuclei to combine and radiation to escape. This point is what is known as the Cosmic Microwave Background.Stars produce all forms of electromagnetic waves from gamma through radio and include that thin slice of the electromagnetic spectrum we know as visible light. Fire produces light through the change in energy levels in the electrons of the combustible material as it burns. Light itself is not like fire in any other way and stars themselves do not produce light as fire does.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3667 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: I see no contradiction with light being a primal entity. The photon content is a later action, which makes light vision friendly [luminosity], as opposed to the essence of light. Light has a transcendent velosity, which is not explainable by any less transcendent entity, such as a star. Thus the essence of light preceded the sun and moon, as the essence of H2O preceded the tap which produces water. The premise of temp and electrons is not the factor which rules here, by the precedent program which allows both the temp and electon factors conform to its end product. Nothing happens without a precedent intergrating mechanism: temp variances and electrons won't produce light from a pineapple.
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Vacate Member (Idle past 4600 days) Posts: 565 Joined: |
I see no contradiction with light being a primal entity. How can you not see a problem with this? You are asserting that light came before the wave, before the photon?
The photon content is a later action How? Its the photon moving in a wave at 400-700 nm that makes light. No wave means no light, bigger or smaller waves means no light. Light is simply a wave with the correct hieght for our eyes to interpret it. You are trying to say that our interpretation of a certain wavelength came before the wave itself? That absurd.
which makes light vision friendly [luminosity] Incorrect. Luminosity is a wavelength of 400-700 nm.
as opposed to the essence of light. There is no essence. Its a smaller wave than a radio wave, a larger wave than a gamma ray. Its the same thing only a different size.
Light has a transcendent velosity If light is transcendent then so is every other wave Thus the essence of light preceded the sun and moon, as the essence of H2O preceded the tap which produces water. Thus your talking nonsense. New York does not precede the Earth, the internet does not precede the computer, light does not precede the wave.
Nothing happens without a precedent intergrating mechanism Right. No wave, no light - you got it backwards.
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sidelined Member (Idle past 5907 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: |
IamJoseph
Light has a transcendent velosity, which is not explainable by any less transcendent entity, such as a star. Thus the essence of light preceded the sun and moon, as the essence of H2O preceded the tap which produces water. What do you mean a transcendent velocity IaJ? You are claiming an essence but not explaining what an essence is.And the essence of H2,O means what?
Nothing happens without a precedent intergrating mechanism: temp variances and electrons won't produce light from a pineapple. Ok now you have drifted into the realm of nonsense and I would ask that you come down to a level where you are clearly communicating what you are attempting to describe OK ?What is the precedent integrating mechanism? "Logic will get you from A to B. Imagination will take you everywhere." Albert Einstein
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3667 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: Transcendent because its speed is greater than all else; and this is not accounted for by the inergy input. The speed is not subsequent of its energy boosting, and the latter only acts as a triggering. By essence I mean its core, original first factor. Water can be said to have H2O as its precedent factors, and each of those gasses can be further reduced. Similarly, we can speak of light before the stars appeared. The aspect of luminosity has no operative factor other than being vision friendly [gravity operates in the dark too], while we can say there are no superfluous factors in a critically operating universe. A photon does not make light, but triggers an action; the proton and the light enjoy a reciprocal interaction. Stars do not produce light until they surpass an enbryotic stage and reach a critical mass; some stars do not attain this stage. Light is also producable independently of stars.
quote: The precedent intergrating mechanism can be seen all places, eg: the precedent intergration of H2 & O, which results in water. When one disregards that both those gasses enjoy an interactive receptability, they can get lost only in the minutae peripheral equation, and neglecting the matrix of interaction in display here. Why is it that we cannot produce water from two other gasses?
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3667 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
The wave is pervasive and generic, and represents a +/- duality factor underlying all actions. Rather than allocating a photon to light, it is more correct to allocate this to a pre-set interaction facility: any tinkering with the photon or the nm, will negate this pre-set interaction mechanism.
Different conclusions are derived, depending on the preamble criteria. Genesis subscribes itself to the universe being finite; all works are intergrated; and that the universe is created in wisdom. Science allocates the manifest complexity of gravity to 'nature', as opposed to the controverisal term of wisdom [wise workings], for its internal doctrinal factors and PC reasonings. However, when one zooms out the picture, they have to be impressed with both the manifest display of wisdom and of the hovering interaction here, which must be accounted for. I mean, what is this thing called 'NATURE' - there is no such thing - actually! But there is manifest works of wisdom and manifest intergration.
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Vacate Member (Idle past 4600 days) Posts: 565 Joined: |
The wave is pervasive and generic, and represents a +/- duality factor underlying all actions. Rather than allocating a photon to light, it is more correct to allocate this to a pre-set interaction facility: any tinkering with the photon or the nm, will negate this pre-set interaction mechanism. I am not sure that I am understanding you correctly. Could you possibly reword it? (Duality factor, pre-set interaction facility?)
Different conclusions are derived, depending on the preamble criteria. I agree, but in this case you are incorrect. Light cannot precede the wave. Light is nothing but a wave of a certain height. If the effect (light) precedes the cause (wave) then you need to explain why light is somehow special while all other waves are not. It would also help to explain how this is even possible.
Science allocates the manifest complexity of gravity to 'nature', as opposed to the controverisal term of wisdom. When testing nature you will find that you have put the cart before the horse.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3667 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
(Duality factor, pre-set interaction facility?)
The genesis model subscribes to all things being created in a duality, that there is no ONE per se in creation. Eg: heaven/earth, light/darknes, day/nite, male/female, etc. Here, two is the minimum requirement for any action. Interaction is that a particular receptivity is and must prevail between two partys, and the resultant premise is its effect; so the interaction facility is precedent. Eg: a car is made to cater to a driver, and the driver's traits are factored in - but this is not the case where a precedent interactive facility was not factored in. Thus the interaction is precedent. Similarly, and subsequently, H interacts with O to produce water when combined in a certain pre-established order.
quote: This shows the light follows the wave provisions, thus it is subsequent of it. A wave represents a duality.
quote: These reflect the wave input, eg. Radio waves have different wave lengths, again signifying the wave rules, and this precedent. IOW, the light is doing what the waves tell it.
quote: There is no such thing as nature. Examine what happens when this term is eliminated. Edited by IamJoseph, : No reason given. Edited by IamJoseph, : No reason given.
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Vacate Member (Idle past 4600 days) Posts: 565 Joined: |
The genesis model subscribes to all things being created in a duality Ok. I understand that. You said however that "The wave is pervasive and generic, and represents a +/- duality factor underlying all actions". I don't understand where you see a duality in a wave.
This shows the light follows the wave provisions, thus it is subsequent of it This is opposite of your previous claim that light precedes the wave. If you are now agreeing with me perhaps the discussion has come to an end?
the light is doing what the waves tell it Not really. We are just interpreting that specific wavelength. There is no light, simply our interpretation of the wave.
There is no such thing as nature Lets not quibble over the small stuff. How about when testing reality then?
Examine what happens when this term is eliminated. I am all for picking another. I believe it was your choice of wording in the first place? ABE: Sorry I missed a portion of your post.
so the interaction facility is precedent. Eg: a car is made to cater to a driver, and the driver's traits are factored in I believe that you are trying to say that our vision was prededermined before the creation of light? Is this correct? Even if true, how does this impact your argument? I still claim that the wave precedes the light, your orignial claim was that light precedes the wave...
Similarly, and subsequently, H interacts with O to produce water when combined in a certain pre-established order. H20 is not a good analogy for what you are trying to say (I don't think). It leaves the impression, to me, that you think light is something that its not. Its simply a wave, stretch it and it will become a radio wave, shrink it and it becomes a gamma ray. Its not like water at all. There is nothing pre-established about light, its simply a word we have created to describe a wave of a certain height (400-700 nm) Edited by Vacate, : No reason given.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3667 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote:One tail end is negative, the other a positive polarity; eg: up/down, where the ascent is one direction, and the descent is its opposiite. Ultimately, the wave represents the duality, and is not a ONE. quote: The wave represents the underlying workings of the light, and is not itself light. The whole point is, there are unending layers of structurisms The wave represents the underlying workings of the light, and is not itself light but is part of the blueprint. The whole point is, there are unending layers of structurisms, and these are based on a definitive matrix of directives.
quote: We see the criteria of the wave input which directs the resultant types of light, and its manipulation gives different forms of light.
quote: Yes, vision has no relevence aside from enabling another entity [eyes] to connect with it. This means the eye and the visible light were created with counter receptive traits. What I said was that light per se preceded stars.
quote: Stretching the wave = manipulating the conrol factor. Thus the wave rules, or better, a duality which is adaptive to a pre-established directive. The macro and micro reflect the same laws; the seen reflects the unseen. Edited by IamJoseph, : No reason given.
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Vacate Member (Idle past 4600 days) Posts: 565 Joined: |
The wave represents the underlying workings of the light, and is not itself light. There is no light. Don't you see? A wave is not the underlying workings of anything, light is simply a word we have come up with to explain a certain wavelength.
We see the criteria of the wave input which directs the resultant types of light No, we invent criteria to describe a certain wavelength that we are quite familiar with and interact with to understand our surroundings. This interaction can be described as "vision", in something else it could be described as "heat". Other wavelengths that we are familiar with have different uses and in an attempt to describe them we apply different criterea.
This means the eye and the visible light were created with counter receptive traits. No, this means that the human eye has three cones that are stimulated by certain wavelengths.S Cones 400-500 nm M Cones 450-630 nm L Cones 500-700 nm Our brains interpret this stimulous and convert it into what we see as light and color. Some humans have defective cones and are therefore colorblind. Some animals respond to different wavelengths and "see" in the ultra violet or infared. Light is simply a description of a certain wavelength. You are essentially saying that light was made for the eye, but if this is true then 1 meter waves were made for television, 1 cm waves were made for warming up food, 1 nm waves are made to look at bones, and 1 pm waves are made to give us cancer. So if 400-700 nm waves are special in that they stimulate cones in your eye, what makes those waves more special then the 1 pm waves that stimulate cells mutate and divide?
What I said was that light per se preceded stars I know you said that. Hence why I disagree with you. You first need to explain what emitted the 400-700nm wave when there where no stars. Before stars there was no light.
Thus the wave rules, or better, a duality which is adaptive to a pre-established directive I will leave it to you to explain why cancer preceded the 1 pm wave, or why microwave dinners preceded the 1 cm wave.
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sidelined Member (Idle past 5907 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: |
IamJoseph
Transcendent because its speed is greater than all else; and this is not accounted for by the energy input. Actually it precisely accounted for by the formula E=hf. A quantum of light {photon energy} is equal to planck's constant times the frequency of the electromagnetic event of each photon.
Water can be said to have H2O as its precedent factors, and each of those gasses can be further reduced. Water is H2O. 2 hydrogen atoms in chemical bond with a single oxygen atom. And no,Hydrogen and oxygen cannot be further reduced as they are elements of nature.It is the change in energy management that accounts for the hydrogen gas and oxygen gas to chemically bond as a liquid at the correct temperature. Since the chemical bonding affects the way in which the electron configuration operates an new substance with different properties emerges.That new property manifests itself in the qualities of water. The precedent intergrating mechanism can be seen all places, eg: the precedent intergration of H2 & O, which results in water. This does nothing to explain what the integrating mechanism is.
. When one disregards that both those gasses enjoy an interactive receptability, they can get lost only in the minutae peripheral equation, and neglecting the matrix of interaction in display here. I do not know what you are getting at here. Please try to clarify.
Why is it that we cannot produce water from two other gasses? Because we get a different reaction between the electron energies that make up the bonds between other different elements and thus,produce different qualities. Edited by sidelined, : No reason given. "Logic will get you from A to B. Imagination will take you everywhere." Albert Einstein
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3667 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: My position is that criticality impacts here. We can only see light when it is within certain margins of criticality: too much heat or too liittle = no vision. This, to me, shows that both items were afixed with a fore thought; both being receptive to each other, in a critical mode. This is an inescapabale factor, and renders it varied from man belatedly naming something. IOW, light [or heat if you like], and vision - are intergrated, a factor which transcends time, distance and evolutionary impacts. Adaptation is only relative in a life form, and have no impact on mountains and stars.
quote: That answer has no bearing here, except it confirms the criticality premise. If the length of the wave length impacts, and so does the eye, we have a corresponding interaction, namely an intergrationary phenomenon. The naked eye does no see radio waves, again by a criticality factor, namely the wave length.
quote: Our brains would have no impact, unless its caperbility is factored in a corresponding object. My position is, our brains do not interpret stimuli, unless the object is stimuli friendly.
quote: The criticality factor. You are proving my case here.
quote: I did state, not all stars achieve light production, and none when they first emerge. The force which propels light is not even a wave: we know that no energy can produce the transcendent velosity of light, whereby this velosity is more than the energy input: an AA battery will produce a ray which travels 186K MPS, which means there is a seperate inherent force in light which transcends any power in the universe. Fact is, we do not know the origin of anything, and light is certainly in this category, even more so that matter, because light displays a power which is greater than matter [transcedent velosity] and is, unlike matter, ageless. The notion stars produce light, is only akin to a factory producing nuts and bolts, a process which can be emulated elsewhere. Edited by IamJoseph, : No reason given.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3667 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: This affirms a criticality factor.
quote: Here we see that more than the equations apply, there is a recepticity and reciprocity at work of both the H and the O, which feat cannot be performed elsewhere by other gasses. The equations factor tells how how it works, but it does not account for the reciprocity - so this requires some hovering thought what is happening here.
quote: I agree. But there is clearly one, is the first point.
quote: IMHO, it is obviously because of a critical intergration at work here, which points to a precedent, hovering control factor. This means, IMHO, there is no adaptation: the environment we prevail and survive in, is precedent and anticipatory of our prevailing therein. 'THE DINNER TABLE IS READY FOR THE GUESTS' applies. The ToE view of adaptation is deficient, namely saying we enter the scene after we can adapt, as opposed the environment and us both enjointly enter the scene, not by their chronological emergences, but by the cirteria seen in each counterparts, namely a critical reciprocity on display here. Lets analogise, which came first, a chipmunk or the walnut, or the chipmunk's ideal environment - or the chip? Why?
quote: But do you see criticality and intergration here?
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Vacate Member (Idle past 4600 days) Posts: 565 Joined: |
We can only see light when it is within certain margins of criticality: too much heat or too liittle = no vision. This, to me, shows that both items were afixed with a fore thought You certainly could be correct. Its unprovable with evidence, but you could be right. This does not show that light precedes the wave however, this only shows that the thought preceded the implimentation.
This, to me, shows that both items were afixed with a fore thought Clever, possibly true, and unprovable.
This is an inescapabale factor Waves first, eyes later. My assertion cancels yours. Done.
are intergrated, a factor which transcends time, distance and evolutionary impacts. Its so tantilizingly possible... but sadly no way to prove it.
The criticality factor. You are proving my case here. I am not proving it, I may agree that you could be correct, but thats not proof. I am pointing out the illogical aspect of your assertion. That being:
vacate writes: You are essentially saying that light was made for the eye, but if this is true then 1 meter waves were made for television, 1 cm waves were made for warming up food, 1 nm waves are made to look at bones, and 1 pm waves are made to give us cancer. In addition to that I would add red shift. Given enough shift you could say that cancer waves can eventually become food warming waves. Though it is possible that this was the creators intent from the start, it will be difficult to find any proof. (In the OT or science) I will ask again: What makes light special from any other wave? I would add: What makes vision any more special than all the other uses we have for light? Can you prove the creator did not make light so we could have faster internet?
The force which propels light is not even a wave: we know that no energy can produce the transcendent velosity of light, whereby this velosity is more than the energy input My knowledge is much too limited to enter this type of discussion. I would like to say simply "your wrong", but I am at work and limited on reading time. I concede this point to you and simply hope that others on the board and willing to discuss this. Perhaps you are correct - what do I know?
Fact is, we do not know the origin of anything, and light is certainly in this category The origin of light is a wave. If you change your wording I would accept that we do not know the origin of the 'idea' of light. Your still going to have some serious trouble attempting to include this in a scientific model of the universe.
The notion stars produce light, is only akin to a factory producing nuts and bolts Exactly. Stars produce light like a factory makes nuts. Now is the maker of the factory knowable, testable, and therefore within the realm of science? This is a good first step in the making of a model.
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