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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1470 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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JonF Member (Idle past 194 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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gnoring misrepresentations is easier on my physical and emotional health than making an issue of them Yup, it's really easy to stay locked in to your right-wing bubble of hate and fear. None of the claims you said were lies were indeed lies. You think that calling something a lie makes it a lie. It doesn't. You are the perfect Republican. Unhesitatingly swallow whatever crap the feed you, never notice that they are earnestly working against your best interest. I hope that nobody you care about is on Medicaid. Half of the people in nursing homes are. Over half the babies born in the US are. And Medicare is next on the chopping block. Paul Ryan has gleefully said so. But you will continue to vote for them and spread their lies and ignore reality.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2422 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
This is a situation from (southern) Italy. The time is the late 19th and early 20th century. Around the time after Marx was known.
quote: Your solution to this problem would have been? Here was the idea then.
quote: Is this non Marxist solution to human oppression problems satisfactory to you? There were critics.
quote: That Immigration Act of 1924 was what caused Jews to die in the millions, when most could not immigrate. (Ironically, Southern Italians have similar Palestinian/Israelite/Phoenician ancestry as Jews do. Many were nicknamed "Il Moro" through the past thousand years plus which means "The Arab" by the northern Italians) What would your solution be to this problem? How should the Italians of the early 20th century have handled this situation?
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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This is a situation from (southern) Italy. The time is the late 19th and early 20th century. Around the time after Marx was known. You make a great point LNA. The truth is that illegal immigration of folks trying to better themselves by escaping hopeless situations may be made illegal, but such immigration cannot be made evil; at least not in the minds of some decent people that I agree with. Many (but not all) folks who don't grasp or accept this idea have other agenda such as "worrying about the browning of America". Of course, if you call those folks on that stuff, then you are a no-account, PC commie bastard trying to deny free speech by using your own free speech. That is the entire premise of this ridiculous thread. This thread isn't really about immigration, but immigration is certainly a good example of what this particular line of argument is about. Namely calling folks commie in response to being called out when expressing positions of debatable, if not questionable, ethical and moral underpinning. What would Jesus do if he encountered a family of asylum seekers looking for refuge? Is the answer really "turn them over to the Romans?". Is there really no word in the Bible addressing the behavior of nations of folks? Can you come up with questions any more rhetorical than these? Do bears not defecate in the woods? Edited by NoNukes, : tone down a tiny bit. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2422 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2
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The Old Testament prophet Isaiah said "woe to them that build house onto house " ,which means that it is evil to own so much land that there will be artificial scarcity. Peasants weren't allowed in the Old Testament.
But any effort to give land to peasants ( like 1954 Guatemala ) will earn your country a nasty date with CIA bombs. C-O-M-M-I-E! Communist movements were a side effect of massive racism & discrimination on the one hand and the unjust land ownership issues on the other. The same right wingers who claim that they themselves support "freedom" will quickly use the government to box people into a narrow corner. People who are trapped inside an oppressive situation will get attacked for both trying to get out and away THEN attacked for the progressive movements that they might join from the inside.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3
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Don't give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free. They're the wrong sort of people.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2422 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
From the June 29 Wall Street Journal.
quote: The only mention of Marxism and Marxist influence in his entire half page article on post ISIS strategy in the northern half of the Middle East. So much for this Marxism is behind radical Islam. These Kurdish Marxist fighters are nationalist too. The communist party in Israel is where anti nationalist Jews and Arab Christians generally cast their votes. How can you fit this into a giant Marxist frame? How do you shoehorn the Arab Nationalism uprising against the Ottoman Empire in World War I? You can make sweeping claims but I can't find any evidence of any unique Marxist contribution to much of anything going on. I just can't. Sorry.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1470 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
"Marxism is behind radical Islam?" Are you imputing that to me? I never said any such thing. You don't seem to understand much of what you read, at least of what I write. What I've been saying is that Marxism is the reason for the support of Islam as an "oppressed" group, the reason the media seem to avoid identifying Islam as the cause of a particular terrorist event, the reason it's hard to get anyone to accept that Islam is a dangerous ideology and the reason there is so much support for bringing in refuges as if there were no danger and so on. And call us "racists" and "Islamophobes" who keep sounding the alarm. All that originated with Cultural Marxism.;
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1470 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Christianity has all the principles needed for humane reform, we certainly don't need Marxism which is an evil murderous ideology.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1470 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
FYI, this thread isn't about immigration at all. Perhaps you meant to post on that thread.
This cavalier attitude toward American law is very depressing. I vote that you be disbarred.
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
And there still has been no evidence presented that would indicate (mostly Cultural) Marxism in today's Left; as usual, as expected. What has been presented is the usual stream of irrelevant quotes as ifr that was evidence of anything other than the fact that many of today's Conservative Commentators say things that are almost a stupid as il Donald's comments.
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JonF Member (Idle past 194 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Christianity has all the principles needed for humane reform Ever going to start using those tools?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1470 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
They've been used throughout history. Slavery and the slave trade would never have been abolished if it weren't for Christianity. There would never have been orphanages or hospitals without Christianity. There would never have been a Magna Carta without Christianity.
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JonF Member (Idle past 194 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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I haven't been following this thread closely, but a comment in another forum led me to research "Cultural Marxism" a little.
Turns out it was invented by German Nazis, perhaps Hitler himself. It's strongly anti-semitic and is currently pushed by neo-Nazis and white supremacists such as Stormfront and Daily Stormer. Anders Breivik, who killed eight people by detonating a van bomb amid Regjeringskvartalet in Oslo, then shot dead 69 participants of a Workers' Youth League (AUF) summer camp on the island of Utya, is obsessed with Cultural Marxism and other white supremacist looniness. Sweet bunch o' fellas you choose to hang with, Faith. Guess we have to add Jews to the many groups you hate. Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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I haven't been following this thread closely, but a comment in another forum led me to research "Cultural Marxism" a little. Not a primary source, but perhaps this discussion from Rational Wiki might clear things up a bit. There are some references in the article to some primary sources, so I don't think they are too far wrong. Cultural Marxism - RationalWiki
quote: I think it is pretty clear that the intent of this thread fits the second definition. To wit:
quote: Sound familiar to the usage here? Further from RW
quote: Here I think Rational Wiki goes just about as far overboard as does this the premise of this thread, and that's quite a difficult feat. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1470 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Leftist propaganda is of course all you are spouting here, you and NN. I've given good sources of information on this thread.
The idea that it was "invented by Nazis" is screaming insane. It didn't even exist as such until the sixties in America, not Germany. The Frankfurt School started out in Germany before Hitler and was certainly Jewish and anti-Nazi, but the Nazis had nothing to do with them except to inspire them to leave the country. Cultural Marxism is the correct term for the Frankfurt School's Marxist dogma that has taken over America since the sixties. The Frankfurt School was so anti-Nazi that it saw Nazis everywhere, even in America and designed their attack on the culture as if it was a Nazi culture, with the intent of destroying it. What they were attacking in fact was all the good things of western culture, not Nazism. There was no Nazism in America. Multiculturalism is one of their methods, Islam being a favorite way of destroying us these days. You define an Oppressor and an Oppressed, just as did classical Marxism, and you champion the Oppressed to destroy the Oppressor. It's all invented to cause class division, conflict and war and destroy the west. Obviously the local leftists think that's just wonderful. Political Correctness is a Marxist term invented by Mao to refer to such "correct" positions as those promoted by the Frankfurt School. I don't follow any of the extreme right wing you are all imputing to this concept. They have no say in any of this. If they jumped on the topic it was a lot later than I did and I have nothing to do with them. Instead of smearing me with people I have nothing to do with, take the time to read my posts. How crafty and evil is the Left, to make up such stuff. Staggering. Maybe the weirdest thing is how they succeed at convincing idiot liberals of their destructive aims. I would never have believed that evil murderous lies could take over the world until the last couple of decades, and until seeing it in operation at EvC. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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